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To: Confab; My hearts in London - Everett
archeological and scientific proof is there of the Trinity

Are you arguing as an atheist confab?

There’s ample evidence in the bible against the Trinity

there is even more so FOR the Trinity, and those 'against' are likely to have been taken out of context.

Many of the early Christian fathers didn’t teach it, & in fact in many cases taught against it.

In fact your facts are not correct. It was taught by name at least 100+ years before nicea and is present in ANF writings through to the bible itself. I would challenge those 'early fathers' as to the validity of their claim of being Christian.

Nicea

Your education regarding the need for Nicea is evidently lacking. What teaching was this upstart Arianism challenging at the time confab?????? My, my, Trinitarianism, hmmmmmmm then it didn't originate at Nicea but Nicea served to confirm what the historic and accepted teaching was.

So, how do you know which is right given the lack of archeological and scientific proof, or irrefutable evidence in the bible, but rather simply the traditions of our fathers?

Yet you cite a form of 'archaeological' evidences - the WRITINGS of the people of the period. Hmmmmmm?

SUPERnatural is not subordinate nor can it be evaluated by the natural, which is the realm that science is bound to operate in. And you haven't refuted anything from the bible yet.

242 posted on 10/29/2011 1:32:26 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

I won’t spend a lot of time w/ you as I know how this works for you. But I will answer some of your q’s.

No. I’m not athiest.

Your assertion that there’s more evidence for the Trinity than against is your opinion, not supported by FACT.

I never indicated that the Trinity wasn’t taught before the creed. I simply indicated it wasn’t taught by many. The non Trinity, for lack of a better term , was taught as well as the Trinity theory, thus, one of the reasons for the council at Nicea. The Trinity was hardly universally accepted doctrine as evidenced by the majority of bishops, & a far greater number of bishops, at Rimini/Seleucia who voted against the theory just 25 years later, & without the threats of Constantine right there.

As far as the writings of the people of the period, you mean the non Trinitarians like Arian, Origen, etc., etc.?

Peace my brother.


246 posted on 10/29/2011 2:52:59 PM PDT by Confab
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