Glenn Beck: NYT runs one of the most “bigoted” “anti-religon” articles EVER

glennbeck.com ^ | Oct 20, 2011 | Glenn Beck

[My hearts in London - Everett]

Why do you label it “demeaning” to simply say you disagree which is what I’ve done in the majority of my posts here? I strenuously disagree with your contention that there is a lack of irrefutable evidence for my faith. There is plenty of evidence. Also, most Christian denominations (excepting Mormons) agree on the basics of the faith. I don’t know what bible you’re referencing, but mine teaches the trinity.

[Godzilla]

archeological and scientific proof is there of the Trinity

Are you arguing as an atheist confab?

There’s ample evidence in the bible against the Trinity

there is even more so FOR the Trinity, and those 'against' are likely to have been taken out of context.

Many of the early Christian fathers didn’t teach it, & in fact in many cases taught against it.

In fact your facts are not correct. It was taught by name at least 100+ years before nicea and is present in ANF writings through to the bible itself. I would challenge those 'early fathers' as to the validity of their claim of being Christian.

Nicea

Your education regarding the need for Nicea is evidently lacking. What teaching was this upstart Arianism challenging at the time confab?????? My, my, Trinitarianism, hmmmmmmm then it didn't originate at Nicea but Nicea served to confirm what the historic and accepted teaching was.

So, how do you know which is right given the lack of archeological and scientific proof, or irrefutable evidence in the bible, but rather simply the traditions of our fathers?

Yet you cite a form of 'archaeological' evidences - the WRITINGS of the people of the period. Hmmmmmm?

SUPERnatural is not subordinate nor can it be evaluated by the natural, which is the realm that science is bound to operate in. And you haven't refuted anything from the bible yet.

[Confab]

Please don’t take offense, none was intended towards you. I should have been more clear. The demeaning part wasn’t directed towards you as much as others.

As far as evidence of your faith, there is plenty of evidence of many parts of your faith, but where’s the irrefutable evidence for the Trinity, faith vs. works, etc.? Christianity has been battling among themselves for centuries over key doctrines. Who’s right? The wars in our day over in Ireland for example indicate Christians are still willing to kill each other over these differences.

As far as most Christian denominations agreeing w/ each other on the basics of the faith, do they agree on faith vs. works, baptism, repentance, the order of the priesthood, women & gays in the priesthood, etc.? These aren’t inconsequential doctrines.

Your bible teaches the Trinity? The bible in John 10 teaches that the Father, Son, & Holy Ghost are one right? Read John 17:11, 22-23

11 “And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are”,
22 “And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one”
23 “I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me”.

So, who is one? There are a ton of other passages that give a different meaning than that accepted by Christians as well. I copied posts by Delphiuser & Reno232 regarding this issue. Maybe I’ll dig them up & send them to you or post them here.

The fact that most Christians accept the Christian Trinity dogma means nothing to me. The Lord’s people, the Jews, accepted false doctrine taught by their leaders for a long time before Christ arrived. The majority doesn’t mean truth.

Lastly, did the Lord ever explain why He developed the 3 entities in the first place, if they’re all one? Why not just God, one entity? Why develop the confusion? To what end?

[Tennessee Nana]

Why lambaste other’s beliefs when there is a lack of irrefutable evidence for you own?

There were approx. 250 bishops present at Nicea when the Nicene creed was voted on.
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and absolutely NOBODY there when Joey Smith claimed to have had his “vision”

or saw his mormon gods or his mormon angels or his mormon anythings..

or “found” his golden plates or folden armor or golden sword

No witnesses at all...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

“there is a lack of irrefutable evidence for you own beliefs...”

[My hearts in London - Everett]

I wasn’t offended. More like concerned that you were reading things into my posts that are not there as other posters have done on this thread.

[Confab]

I won’t spend a lot of time w/ you as I know how this works for you. But I will answer some of your q’s.

No. I’m not athiest.

Your assertion that there’s more evidence for the Trinity than against is your opinion, not supported by FACT.

I never indicated that the Trinity wasn’t taught before the creed. I simply indicated it wasn’t taught by many. The non Trinity, for lack of a better term , was taught as well as the Trinity theory, thus, one of the reasons for the council at Nicea. The Trinity was hardly universally accepted doctrine as evidenced by the majority of bishops, & a far greater number of bishops, at Rimini/Seleucia who voted against the theory just 25 years later, & without the threats of Constantine right there.

As far as the writings of the people of the period, you mean the non Trinitarians like Arian, Origen, etc., etc.?

Peace my brother.

[Confab]

Glad to hear. I hope we cleared that up. We’re all on a path back to the Lord. We simply see things differently. It’s all good.

[Godzilla]

Your assertion that there’s more evidence for the Trinity than against is your opinion, not supported by FACT.

You have failed to prove your case by even the slightest of margins

I simply indicated it wasn’t taught by many.

that is not what you indicated earlier.

The Trinity was hardly universally accepted doctrine as evidenced by the majority of bishops, & a far greater number of bishops, at Rimini/Seleucia who voted against the theory just 25 years later, & without the threats of Constantine right there.

Again - research your history. Arians pulled a power play using a compliant Constantine who became an arian.

As far as the writings of the people of the period, you mean the non Trinitarians like Arian, Origen, etc., etc.?

Again, I said look at those considered as the ANF writers. Arian was not one of those.

Origen's views were subordinalist - but that doesn't mean he rejected the Trinity. He was orthodox in that regard, his subordiationalism reflected what is referred to as the economy of the Trinity - not the ontology. That is why St. Athanasius defends Origen's orthodoxy concerning the Trinity and why St. Basil and St. Gregory of Nazianzus replied to the heretics who claimed the support of his authority that they misunderstood him.

[Confab]

I’m not trying to prove anything, as I respect other’s beliefs. You on the other hand, seem to try & prove your case on a regular basis. I believe you have failed to prove your case by even the slightest of margins. Your opinions are interesting though.

[Godzilla]

I’m not trying to prove anything, as I respect other’s beliefs.

Not stopping you from denouncing the doctrine of the Trinity, though did it.

[Godzilla]

,I.So, who is one? There are a ton of other passages that give a different meaning than that accepted by Christians as well. I copied posts by Delphiuser & Reno232 regarding this issue. Maybe I’ll dig them up & send them to you or post them here.

MHIL-E, for your information, delphi and Reno are mormons who's so called evidences against the trinity were nothing more than misquotes, twisted or even dishonest citations and definitions. That confab is relying upon them as sources is clear by his citation of John 17

11 “And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are”, 22 “And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one” 23 “I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me”.

confab, et al, would point to this as proof that the Trinity (or at least Jesus and the Father) are completely separate individuals, inferring that the Apostle John didn't believe in the Trinity. What confab won't reconcile is that this same John wrote in John 1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God"

What confab will also not tell you is that the Gospel of John is one of the strongest Trinitarian of the gospels. What confab also will not tell you that the John 17 passage is completely in harmony with the Trinity - not a wedge passage.

Lastly, did the Lord ever explain why He developed the 3 entities in the first place, if they’re all one? Why not just God, one entity? Why develop the confusion? To what end?

This contorted statement is laughable. Excuse me, confab, why do you have two hands and two feet? If you are just one person, why did you 'develop' them in the first place?

God didn't 'develop', God always WAS as God IS. The only 'god' that develops are the mormon gods.

[Elsie]

He does what the demons say to do...

[Elsie]

Pretty simple, its already in the thread.

Where can I find the INVISIBLE® font on the web?

[Elsie]

...I could never be a Mormon because I would never be willing to give up coffee...

Not really.

The MORMON scripture says HOT drinks. It does NOT spell out what those drinks are.

You should rather be astonished at not eating MEAT in the summer!

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THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 89

 

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.

 

1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.

 

  1 A ^aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—

  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the ^aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and ^bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—

  3 Given for a principle with ^apromise, adapted to the capacity of the ^bweak and the weakest of all ^csaints, who are or can be called saints.

  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of ^aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of ^bconspiring men in the last days, I have ^cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—

  5 That inasmuch as any man ^adrinketh ^bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.

  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, ^apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.

  7 And, again, ^astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

  8 And again, tobacco is not for the ^abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.

  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome ^aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with ^aprudence and ^bthanksgiving.

  12 Yea, ^aflesh also of ^bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used ^csparingly;

  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be ^aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or ^bfamine.

  14 All ^agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;

  15 And ^athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

  16 All grain is good for the ^afood of man; as also the ^bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—

  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.

  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ^ashall receive ^bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;

  19 And shall ^afind ^bwisdom and great ^ctreasures of ^dknowledge, even hidden treasures;

  20 And shall ^arun and not be ^bweary, and shall walk and not faint.

  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the ^adestroying angel shall ^bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.

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[Elsie]

I can’t believe I’m reading such a statement on FR!

You won't have to for long; as others who have done the same got a visit from The KITTY!

[Elsie]

You act like you have rabies whenever you talk about them, so I just naturally assumed...

Yup; that's what the NATURAL man does; right Resty??

[Elsie]

You ping me on a month's old thread because you are scouring for things to launch your vile attacks against.

1 posted on Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:28:35 PM by Ripliancum

Somehow I think you have gotten confused: or CONFOUNDED!

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OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 71

Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon, at Hiram, Ohio, December 1, 1831. HC 1: 238–239. The Prophet had continued to translate the Bible with Sidney Rigdon as his scribe until this revelation was received, at which time it was temporarily laid aside so as to enable them to fulfill the instruction given herein. The brethren were to go forth to preach in order to allay the unfriendly feelings that had developed against the Church as a result of the publication of some newspaper articles by Ezra Booth, who had apostatized.

1–4, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon are sent forth to proclaim the gospel; 5–11, Enemies of the saints shall be confounded.

1 Behold, thus saith the Lord unto you my servants Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, that the time has verily come that it is necessary and expedient in me that you should open your mouths in proclaiming my gospel, the things of the kingdom, expounding the mysteries thereof out of the scriptures, according to that portion of Spirit and power which shall be given unto you, even as I will.

2 Verily I say unto you, proclaim unto the world in the regions round about, and in the church also, for the space of a season, even until it shall be made known unto you.

3 Verily this is a mission for a season, which I give unto you.

4 Wherefore, labor ye in my vineyard. Call upon the inhabitants of the earth, and bear record, and prepare the way for the commandments and revelations which are to come.

5 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also;

6 For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power.

7 Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest.

8 Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord.

9 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;

10 And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.

11 Wherefore, keep my commandments; they are true and faithful. Even so. Amen.

 

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[Elsie]

You deranged creeps respond to something I wrote a month ago because you can't find enough to take offense at.

YOU are Glenn BECK???!!!

[Elsie]

You often speak as if you have concrete PROOF of what you speak, when in reality, your assertions are really nothing more than you best GUESS.

Where's your example of your assertion; Accuser?

[Elsie]

That could be construed as sheer narcissism.

Narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, in the same category as antisocial and borderline personality disorders.

Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:

* Believing that you’re better than others
* Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
* Exaggerating your achievements or talents
* Expecting constant praise and admiration
* Believing that you’re special and acting accordingly
* Failing to recognize other people’s emotions and feelings
* Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
* Taking advantage of others
* Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
* Being jealous of others
* Believing that others are jealous of you
* Trouble keeping healthy relationships
* Setting unrealistic goals
* Being easily hurt and rejected
* Having a fragile self-esteem
* Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence or strong self-esteem, it’s not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence and self-esteem into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal. In contrast, people who have healthy confidence and self-esteem don’t value themselves more than they value others.

When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may have a sense of entitlement. And when you don’t receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry. You may insist on having “the best” of everything — the best car, athletic club, medical care or social circles, for instance.