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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Please don’t take offense, none was intended towards you. I should have been more clear. The demeaning part wasn’t directed towards you as much as others.

As far as evidence of your faith, there is plenty of evidence of many parts of your faith, but where’s the irrefutable evidence for the Trinity, faith vs. works, etc.? Christianity has been battling among themselves for centuries over key doctrines. Who’s right? The wars in our day over in Ireland for example indicate Christians are still willing to kill each other over these differences.

As far as most Christian denominations agreeing w/ each other on the basics of the faith, do they agree on faith vs. works, baptism, repentance, the order of the priesthood, women & gays in the priesthood, etc.? These aren’t inconsequential doctrines.

Your bible teaches the Trinity? The bible in John 10 teaches that the Father, Son, & Holy Ghost are one right? Read John 17:11, 22-23

11 “And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are”,
22 “And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one”
23 “I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me”.

So, who is one? There are a ton of other passages that give a different meaning than that accepted by Christians as well. I copied posts by Delphiuser & Reno232 regarding this issue. Maybe I’ll dig them up & send them to you or post them here.

The fact that most Christians accept the Christian Trinity dogma means nothing to me. The Lord’s people, the Jews, accepted false doctrine taught by their leaders for a long time before Christ arrived. The majority doesn’t mean truth.

Lastly, did the Lord ever explain why He developed the 3 entities in the first place, if they’re all one? Why not just God, one entity? Why develop the confusion? To what end?


243 posted on 10/29/2011 2:27:46 PM PDT by Confab
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To: Confab

I wasn’t offended. More like concerned that you were reading things into my posts that are not there as other posters have done on this thread.


245 posted on 10/29/2011 2:49:10 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Still searching for the new tagline!)
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To: Confab; My hearts in London - Everett; Colofornian; ejonesie22; greyfoxx39
,I.So, who is one? There are a ton of other passages that give a different meaning than that accepted by Christians as well. I copied posts by Delphiuser & Reno232 regarding this issue. Maybe I’ll dig them up & send them to you or post them here.

MHIL-E, for your information, delphi and Reno are mormons who's so called evidences against the trinity were nothing more than misquotes, twisted or even dishonest citations and definitions. That confab is relying upon them as sources is clear by his citation of John 17

11 “And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are”, 22 “And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one” 23 “I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me”.

confab, et al, would point to this as proof that the Trinity (or at least Jesus and the Father) are completely separate individuals, inferring that the Apostle John didn't believe in the Trinity. What confab won't reconcile is that this same John wrote in John 1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God"

What confab will also not tell you is that the Gospel of John is one of the strongest Trinitarian of the gospels. What confab also will not tell you that the John 17 passage is completely in harmony with the Trinity - not a wedge passage.

Lastly, did the Lord ever explain why He developed the 3 entities in the first place, if they’re all one? Why not just God, one entity? Why develop the confusion? To what end?

This contorted statement is laughable. Excuse me, confab, why do you have two hands and two feet? If you are just one person, why did you 'develop' them in the first place?

God didn't 'develop', God always WAS as God IS. The only 'god' that develops are the mormon gods.

251 posted on 10/29/2011 5:47:21 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Confab
I copied posts by Delphiuser & Reno232 regarding this issue.

They're still ALIVE???

Praise the LORD!

Tell DU I've missed him. (He'll know what I mean!)

262 posted on 10/29/2011 7:10:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Confab
Lastly, did the Lord ever explain why He developed the 3 entities in the first place, if they’re all one? Why not just God, one entity? Why develop the confusion? To what end?

"If any of you lack wisdom; let him ask of GOD..."

263 posted on 10/29/2011 7:11:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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