Posted on 09/27/2011 1:36:16 PM PDT by xzins
Have you heard about 999? Sorry, it isn't a German Hausfrau admonishing her children. What is 999? It's a new tax scheme dreamed up by Republican candidate, Herman Cain. In his plan, we have a 9% corporate tax, a 9% income tax, and a 9% sales tax.
Here is the bottom line: 999 is one tax MORE than we now have. Argue all you like about the 9% rate, but know this, we are NOT now paying a national sales tax of 9%.
Please consider this. Governments love to tax. Governments love taxing so much that they will at times violate their own Constitution in their frenzy to find more tax money to fill their coffers. Fortunately, when that occurs, citizens do have some recourse in appealing to the courts the violation of their Constitution, as is the case of the individual mandate in ObamaCare.
Not so with the 999 of Herman Cain. The Constitution says that an income tax is acceptable. It speaks nary a word about a corporate tax, meaning that taxes not specifically forbidden are OK. That means a 9% sales tax can also be easily instituted by simple act of Congress.
Remember, governments loving taxes is a passion surpassing that of teenage boys loving teenage girls. They love them so much that our current income tax, once a percent or two of one's income, is now ranging into the high 30 percent. After all, they are Congress and the only thing preventing tax hikes is elections, and even they don't seem to prevent them awfully well.
So imagine that innocent looking 999 some day being 101010 or 121212 or even 303030. What's to prevent it? Absolutely nothing.
Without a Constitutional amendment setting those precise limits, or, in my opinion, an amendment that ends the socially manipulative income tax altogether and forever, those meek little 9's are very dangerous seeds planted that will grow and grow.
Therefore, there is no doubt about 999. America's response should be "Nein, nein, nein!"
No need for you to actually let facts get in the way of your rants. Cain also addressed superseding the 16th amendment.
You are acting like a sniveling Ronulan.
999 is just 666 upside down.
999 - it’s the mark of Cain.
This sneaks “national sales tax” into the conversation WITHOUT a push to end the income tax. It is a bald-faced grab for more money.
Now you’ve REALLY done it — added facts to your logic. You aren’t playing by the rules of this thread!!
Taxula will get his fangs in you one way or the other... In the end, citizens are the ones that either stand up to the blood sucking tax code or don’t... no new tax plan without a repeal of the 16th amendment is the way to start... whether its a flat, fair or national consumption tax, make it so politicians cannot mess with it...
You haven't read Cain's plan.
I heard Cain speaking to Shawn Hannity about this, and Shawn’s complaint was that it sounded like Cain was abandoning the fair tax for his 999 plan.
Herman’s response was that his 999 plan was a transition program TO the flat tax... where he would follow up the 999 plan after a few years with the flat tax by eliminating 2 of the 3 9s.
I too am concerned about what keeps future governments from upping Cain’s ante... Cain said that there would be no risk of that, but did not specify why or how it would be prevented.
Nevertheless, Cain is my candidate. Just because he is elected doesn’t mean his 999 plan will pass.
Most likely, he will succeed in at least eliminating most of the current tax code in favor of something more equitable and simple. Again... CONGRESS is the governing body on that issue... not the president... so people shouldn’t worry so much about 999.
That's good...can I steal it? :>)
Again, answer the question.
Why are you so afraid of the 9-9-9 plan and not of Congress simply raising existing tax rates?
This argument that because no system of taxation will be utterly perfect we must cling to our current corrupt failed income tax system is nonsense.
No replacement system will be perfect. There will be flaws in any replacement
That being said, I still support Cain and hope that he can be convinced of this.
Fire the Chicago Mob!
Hire the Godfather!
The Chicago mob creates chaos.
The Godfather Delivers!
ROFLMAO! Ronulan heads exploding everywhere.
It’s 666 upside down.
no way, I would rather have a sales tax. I make decent money but don’t buy much other than food and occasionally clothing. I look for stuff used on craigslist before I buy new. I want the idiots on welfare buying plasma tvs at walmart to help out too.
Agree that another tax uncontrolled isn’t a good idea. This really isn’t too far removed from Fair Tax, except that to me it’s a lot less convoluted.
Making this plan work would take work and determination. It would have to have the total cooperation of Congress and an Administration to make sure the other progressive taxes (IRS) are abolished, etc.
Were Cain in charged and we owned the House and Senate, we might, just might ram this through just like Obamacare was foisted on us. Hell, if we did it right, we’d dump Obamacare, the IRS, AND replace our tax structure all in one fell swoop!...the Dems would howl like stuck pigs!....I’d love to be there....
I thought the 9-9-9 was to remove FICA and Medicare taxes. It does. It also repaces the double taxation in the ucrrent system. For example in the current tax code capital gains are taxed then taxed again as income. In 9-9-9 you pay one flat rate 1 time.
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