Posted on 09/20/2011 8:28:54 AM PDT by Ordinary_American
The critical issue for the 2012 election is whether or not a government of the people, by the people and for the people, shall perish from the earth.
The US Government has been hijacked by a self-serving, permanent political class, which considers itself above the law and elections as bothersome formalities temporarily interrupting their plundering of the nation’s wealth.
Having become comfortable with ignoring the will of the people, American politicians have created a culture of corruption in Washington, D.C., while they steadily whittle away at the Constitution to remove any remaining obstacles in their pursuit of personal power and affluence.
The rule of law has deteriorated to such an extent that it is now possible for Barack Hussein Obama to present a forged Certificate of Live Birth on national television, to use a stolen Social Security Number and forge his Selective Service registration without a single member of Congress raising an objection.
In 2012, these same politicians will ask voters to ignore Obama’s crimes like they have and endorse their endemic corruption.
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Nice, except if two wrongs make a right, then so do four or four hundred.
Bullshit.
I am in agreement with what the court really said, not what the dissolutionists like you want it to have said.
Right. And everyone who disagrees with you is using emotional agruments.
Sorry E/S. You lose on this one. No court in America would find Rubio to be ineligible to be President. That is reality. You are living in an emotional dream world. Wake up.
You’re playing word games.
WKA used Native Citizen as a specific 14th ammendment case.
The casual misuse of the term by the ignorant does not change the decision.
Only SCOTUS can decice if it is two wrongs. And by my count, two of those justices should recuse themselves.
If Marco runs, the greater the chance that SCOTUS will tell us what is our law on this matter.
No, I am living in a fact driven world.
The emotion is all yours. Rubio is a 14th ammendment citizen, not a NB.
He is not qualified for the job anyway; we need someone that can solve our problems, not just someone we like.
You appear to be appealing to the flakeyness of the courts and their Lieyers.
There is no difference.
Baloney. There are two legal definitions for citizens of the United States. Naturalized and Natural Born. Legally that is it. Which one is Rubio?
Ah. I'm an Obummer Troll then because I question the new definition of Natural Born? Swell.
No I am appealing to the actual language of the 14th Amendment. An Amendment which it appears you don't particularly like.
Did you know that when an Amendment is passed that it supersedes the amendments which went before it and that it modifies the language of the Constitution?
It is clear that the 14th Amendment was a modification of the Constitution which made every child born in the united states that is subject to the jurisiction thereof to be a citizen at the time of birth. The term Natural Born Citizen was a designation of a person who is born a citizen of the country of his birth. The determinate word is "subject". If the parents have submitted themselves to the jurisdiction of the United States either by seeking permananet residency or Naturalized Citizenship, then their children will be natural born citizens.
I'm sorry if you can't accept my arguments and that you have an emotional reaction to them. My arguments are purely legal arguments. I am not appealing to anyone's emotions. I am referencing the actual language of the Constitution, the 14th Amendment and the definition in Vittel's Law of Nation.
If this comes before a court, I am convinced that every court that hears it will agree with my reasoning and NONE will agree with yours.
Are you an attorney?
You really are clueless to the meaning of a natural born citizen. Look for the Vattel research thread....get educated.
Wrong; Rubio is a US citizen, but is NOT a natural born one because his parents were not citizens at the time of his birth.
JC
“WKA had nothing to do with Article two, because no article two issue was before the court.”
Yet the government’s brief did put it before the Court: “Are Chinese children born in this country to share with the descendants of the patriots of the American Revolution the exalted qualification of being eligible to the Presidency of the nation, conferred by the Constitution in recognition of the importance and dignity of citizenship by birth?” The government lost.
I believe there are only two kinds of citizens in the Founder’s version of the adopted Constitution i.e. ‘natural born citizen’ as specifically for POTUSA and just plain ‘citizen’ as stipulated for members of Congress. I don’t know of any attempts to refit in the Constitution the presidential requirement or it’s conditions. I have read postings where there have been arguments for refitting the meaning of just plain old citizen. Because of the original uses in the Constitution I tend to believe that ‘natural born citizen’ remains a unique specification.
Get educated on Vattel? Did he have any other definitions for citizenship for a person other than Natural Born and Naturalized that I am not aware of? Not from my understanding. With those two choices also in the Constitution, Rubio falls under NB.
BTW, was there a Constitutional crisis for Chester A Arther when he was President? His father was born in Ireland. Folks had a very clear idea of the Constitution in those days since it was less that 100 years old. I think I will take their advice on the definition of Natural Born.
His Sept 20, 2011 post completely explains the background and rationale for natural born citizens and other classifications. Some dummies here won’t read it though!
JC
The courts are afraid to address the issue, and at least one judge used newspaper articles and blogs as his “legal justification”! That’s pure BS.
JC
Wrong; Arthur was ineligible, but lied about it!
JC
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