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A Not So National Prayer Service In Washington For 9/11, and A “No-Prayer” Service in NYC.
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 9/9/11 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 09/10/2011 5:19:00 AM PDT by markomalley

Here in Washington DC a national prayer service was originally scheduled for the National Cathedral (which is still closed due to the earthquake damage – see photo, right). It is now slated for the Kennedy Center. Yet, the “national” quality of the service is disputed by some, including Washington Examiner columnist Ken Klukowski who writes the following commentary. His remarks are bold, black italic text. My remarks are normal text red. The article here is excerpted the full text can be read here: Washington Examiner

The National Cathedral is an Episcopal church, which is part of the worldwide Anglican Communion (the Church of England). Days after 9/11 a nationally televised memorial service was held at the National Cathedral, at which President George W. Bush spoke. At that service, there was the prominent presence of Rev Billy Graham, (then) Archbishop Theodore McCarrick of Washington, A Rabbi, and Imam, and several other Protestant clergy.

On the 10th anniversary of the attacks another service is being held, at which President Obama will speak. So the dean of the cathedral — an Episcopalian priest — is inviting selected religious speakers. They include another Episcopalian, a Jewish rabbi, a Muslim imam, as well as Hindu and Buddhist leaders…..No other leaders of any part of Christendom are involved. These two Episcopalian priests claim to represent all Christians….Not by a long shot. OK, so Christians are on the dais, but, as our author will point out, the current leadership of the Episcopalian church (especially the flank which the Washington National Cathedral clergy represent) have set themselves at odds with the larger majority of other  Christians. Hence it does not seem they well represent, by themselves, the wider and (frankly) larger number of Christians who adhere to Biblical Tradition.

In recent decades the Episcopal Church has increasingly become a liberal denomination, …Its theology might even be acceptable to the New York Times’ Bill Keller, as many of the denomination’s clergy and theologians now openly reject the authority or reliability of the Bible, and various other core doctrines of historical Christianity. Exactly.

It’s also currently splitting into two denominations. When Gene Robinson, an Episcopal priest in New Hampshire, divorced his wife (with whom he had children) for a same-sex relationship with another man the Episcopal Church promoted him to the rank of bishop. That was the last straw for many Episcopalians. Yes, even many current Episcopalians are deeply grieved by the theological liberalism of their denomination. Some have left, others are contemplating options. But the Episcopalian denomination has been decimated (three times over) in that it has lost more that 1/3 of it members and that number continues to drop, for the reasons stated.

Consequently it is a denomination in decline. Reportedly there are now only 2 million Episcopalians in the country, and, as more conservative members either leave for new churches or seek to establish their own separate denomination, those numbers will continue dropping…..

In terms of numbers, by contrast there are 80 million evangelicals in America. The largest evangelical denomination is the Southern Baptist Convention, with 16 million members nationwide. The Southern Baptists were not invited to participate…..hundreds of thousands of vibrant evangelical churches are prospering. So as can be seen, the numbers are not even close. 80 million Evangelicals + 70 Million Roman Catholics far outweigh the increasingly fringe wing of the theologically liberal Episcopalians represented by their two Cathedral clergy. Granted, the Evangelicals are divided among themselves into thousands of denominations, but they would likely accept a prominent Evangelical leader to represent their movement, even if he were not from their exact denomination. Further, any Catholic Bishop could represent the Roman Catholic multitudes. Why was this not considered?

This is not just about evangelicals, however. There are almost 70 million Roman Catholics in this country. Yet I don’t see any Roman Catholics on the roster, only two Episcopalians claiming to represent 230 million Americans who call themselves Christians. Exactly.

Leaders of these….are not included. And a solid majority of them — especially evangelicals — strenuously object to the assertion that these Episcopal leaders represent their beliefs. And I would add, that, although we Catholics are generally less vocal about sectarian issues, if you ask me, and most Church-going Catholics, if two clergy of a denomination that collectively supports abortions rights, homosexual marriage, and activity, euthanasia, and so forth can represent me, I’d say “No!”

It is a sad commentary……In addition….Mayor Mike Bloomberg [is] barring clergy and prayer from the 10-year 9/11 memorial service in New York. Have a nice day Mr Mayor. We’ll be in our churches praying anyway. We’re not really mad so much as sad; sad that you, and some others, have become so secularized. Maybe someone at the NY memorial will sneeze, and someone nearby will say, “God Bless you!” (by accident of course), and so there will be prayer there, just by accident. God bless you Mr. Mayor. And God bless the United States of America. Oh, did I pray? I am sorry (not).

Read the complete commentary at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/2011/09/911-services-show-liberal-politicizing-memorials#ixzz1XVom0Cwh
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Here is video from the Prayer Service on September 14th 2001, at the National Cathedral showing a more inclusive clergy:



TOPICS: Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: msgrcharlespope; nationalprayer; prayer; prayerservice; respectdannyh; washingtondc
I posted this in "bloggers" versus "religion" because this is far more a statement on the all-out assault on traditional American values that the liberals, working (in my belief) in full cooperation with the Islamists, have engaged since the 9/11/01 attacks.

Such a thing could never have even been imagined on the first anniversary of the attacks. But now? It does not even merit serious controversy within the MSM.

1 posted on 09/10/2011 5:19:05 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

This whole thing has turned into a TV sitcom.


2 posted on 09/10/2011 5:24:33 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: markomalley

Not surprised. The Episcopal church “lost” its Christian heritage, or rather “gave it up” years ago. No wonder the Anglicans had been invited to come into full communion with the Roman Catholic Church.

I do know if my memory is correct, the National Shrine will have a special Sunday mass at NOON to remember those who died on 9/11.


3 posted on 09/10/2011 5:29:37 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks markomalley.


4 posted on 09/10/2011 5:29:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Dallas59

Well, I’m sure not laughing.


5 posted on 09/10/2011 5:32:52 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: markomalley

“Such a thing could never have even been imagined on the first anniversary of the attacks.”

It is frankly astonishing to see how rapidly this attitude has grown. It’s almost as if some unseen power is pushing it, is it not?

;-o

(We need to strengthen one another to increase our commitment to daily prayer.)


6 posted on 09/10/2011 5:32:52 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: markomalley
Great post! So sad. We have to pray even more so for this nation. When we take a firm belief away. So goes the blessings of God. If the blessings leave that's a curse. If you take God out of the public arena do not ask where is God after a disaster. You never wanted him.

Lord help us!

7 posted on 09/10/2011 5:33:54 AM PDT by johngrace (1 John 4)
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To: markomalley

Thank-you for this excellent posting.


8 posted on 09/10/2011 5:38:22 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: markomalley
Wouldn't it be...ironic...if the Muslim jihadists launch a major mass-casualties terror strike at the Memorial Service -- but because of Bloomberg's PC stance, liberals end up hardest hit with the first responders and the devout emerging unscathed...?
9 posted on 09/10/2011 5:50:41 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: markomalley
Wouldn't it be...ironic...if the Muslim jihadists launch a major mass-casualties terror strike at the Memorial Service -- but because of Bloomberg's PC stance, liberals end up hardest hit with the original 9-11 first responders and relatives, and the devout Christians emerging unscathed...?
10 posted on 09/10/2011 5:51:43 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: markomalley

Have one anyway.


11 posted on 09/10/2011 5:56:57 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: markomalley
The Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese, John Bryson Chane, covering Washington DC and thus the one who 'sits' at the "National Cathedral" in DC has a very interesting theological viewpoint. The following is from a press release [January 30, 2010] by the National Cathedral about him and his approaching retirement; "He is known for his passionate support for the full inclusion of gay and lesbian Christians in the Church, his commitment to interfaith dialog, and his outreach to Africa and the Muslim world."

Interesting no? I am certain that the invite list is very much the list of his choice but almost certainly reflects the Episcopal leadership. I say this in the complete sadness of a former devout Episcopalian whose church has left in the progressive dust.

12 posted on 09/10/2011 7:06:41 AM PDT by SES1066 (1776 to 2011, 235 years and counting in the GRAND EXPERIMENT!)
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To: markomalley

Free the First Amendment.


13 posted on 09/10/2011 7:25:11 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (We still hold these truths to be self-evident...)
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To: markomalley

One Nation, Under God

"The man must be bad indeed who can look upon the events of the American Revolution without feeling the warmest gratitude toward the great Author of the Universe whose divine interposition was so frequently manifested in our behalf. And it is my earnest prayer that we may so conduct ourselves as to merit a continuance of those blessings with which we have hitherto been favored." - George Washington


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." - U.S. Constitution 1st Amendment


"I have lived sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And, if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, sir, in the sacred writings, that ‘except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.;

"I firmly believe this; and I also believe, that, without his concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel;...

"I therefore beg leave to move, that henceforth prayers, imploring the assistance of heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this assembly every morning before we proceed to business: and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service." (Benjamin Franklin as quoted by Jared Sparks, The Works of Benjamin Franklin, 1837, pp. 155-56)

Separation of Church and State

"I support the doctrine of separation of church and state as traditionally interpreted to prohibit the establishment of an official national religion. But this does not mean that we should divorce government from any formal recognition of God. To do so strikes a potentially fatal blow at the concept of the divine origin of our rights, and unlocks the door for an easy entry of future tyranny. If Americans should ever come to believe that their rights and freedoms are instituted among men by politicians and bureaucrats, they will no longer carry the proud inheritance of their forefathers, but will grovel before their masters seeking favors and dispensations -- a throwback to the feudal system of the Dark Ages." (Ezra Taft Benson, "Freedom Is Our Heritage," 10 Nov. 1970)


"When the great work was done and published, I was...struck with amazement. Nothing less than that superintending hand of Providence, that so miraculously carried us through the war... could have brought it about so complete, upon the whole." (Charles Pinckney speaking of the U.S. Constitution, P.L. Ford, ed., Essays on the Constitution, 1892, p. 412)


"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports... Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles." - George Washington, Farewell address


John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and one of the three men most responsible for the U.S. Constitution stated, ''Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty - as well as the privilege and interest - of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.''


''Why is it that next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most venerated festival returns on this day? Is it not that in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon the earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity?'' - John Quincy Adams, July 4, 1837 Address


"God rules this world. It is the duty of nations as well as men to owe their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions in humble sorrow... and to recognize the sublime truths that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord." - Abraham Lincoln


"As nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world, so they must be in this. By an inevitable chain of causes and effects, Providence punishes national sins by national calamities." - George Mason, Father of the Bill of Rights


"The success, which has hitherto attended our united efforts, we owe to the gracious interposition of heaven, and to that interposition let us gratefully ascribe the praise of victory, and the blessings of peace." (George Washington, To the Executives of New Hampshire, November 3, 1789)


"It is impossible for the man of pious reflection not to perceive in it [the Constitution] a finger of that Almighty hand which has been so frequently and signally extended to our relief in the critical stages of the revolution." (James Madison, The Federalist, No. 37)


"I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another,...and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all, to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy nation." - George Washington


In the nineteenth century a young Frenchman, Alexis de Tocqueville, came to the United States to observe this nation. Afterwards he wrote:

"I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers, and it was not there; in her fertile fields and boundless prairies, and it was not there; in her rich mines and her vast world commerce, and it was not there. Not until I went to the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." (Quoted in The Spirit of America, p32, Bookcraft 1998)


"We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government -- far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." (James Madison, Russ Walton, Biblical Principles of Importance to Godly Christians [New Hampshire: Plymouth Foundation, 1984], p. 361)


Abraham Lincoln was asked which side God was on in the Civil War. He responded: "I am not at all concerned about that, for I know that the Lord is always on the side of right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the Lord’s side." (Abraham Lincoln’s Stories and Speeches, J.B. McClure, ed. [Chicago: Rhodes and McClure Publishing Co., 1896], pp. 185-86)


"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." (John Adams, In John R. Howe, Jr.’s, The Changing Political Thought of John Adams [Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1966], p. 185)


"God, who gave us life, gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are a gift of God?" (Thomas Jefferson, In Love with Eloquence, p. 30)


"We have grown in numbers, wealth and power as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!" (Abraham Lincoln, A Proclamation "to designate and set apart a day for National prayer and humiliation.")


"America, under the smiles of a Divine Providence, the protection of a good government, and the cultivation of manners, morals, and piety, cannot fail of attaining an uncommon degree of eminence, in literature, commerce, agriculture, improvements at home and respectability abroad." - George Washington


"I thank God that I have lived to see my country independent and free. She may long enjoy her independence and freedom if she will. It depends upon her virtue." (Samuel Adams, Wells, The Life of Samuel Adams, 3:175)

14 posted on 09/10/2011 7:51:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (We still hold these truths to be self-evident...)
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To: markomalley

A terrific post. Thank you.

Achoo - God bless you. :)


15 posted on 09/10/2011 8:20:06 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Thank you for this wonderful compendium.


16 posted on 09/10/2011 6:57:55 PM PDT by Wife of D28Man
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