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The Coming Wars
MarkAmerica ^ | 08/21/2011 | Mark America

Posted on 08/21/2011 2:00:18 PM PDT by MarkAmerica


For my conservative and Tea Party brethren, there must now be an acknowledgment that the immediate future looks quite grim. We have a country in some stage of collapse, though I contend that like a free-falling elevator, the rate at which it's falling may not be entirely apparent to its occupants until it hits the ground. As this situation worsens, we must consider what's ahead, how we'll stop it if we can, and salvage it if we're able. For the country to be restored, we'll be compelled to adopt a more proactive stance, because it's probably going to get messy. We face the greater war for our culture and our country, but before we can wage that one to a successful conclusion, we will need to win the opening skirmish.

The Presidential nomination cannot be allowed to go to a useless, tepid, weak candidate who will not pursue the restoration of the country with full vigor. We should consider this primary like an instructive field training exercise, whereby we will polish our skills and extend our endurance, because the other engagements will demand it. As I detailed yesterday, there can really be one candidate among all those under consideration who is able to take on this difficult duty and hope to prevail.

One of the problems in this political season is with us. We've largely failed to understand the larger trends and the clear signals of impending danger those trends are transmitting. People have compared this coming season to 1980, noting its significance is greater than all the election years from them until now. This is an error. A few have even remarked, myself one or twice, that his is more like 1932, but this is also wrong. It's much more substantial than that, and I need your undivided attention in considering it fully. The coming election year is most like 1860, and we're facing a different sort of war to stop a different sort of slavery, and to restore the freedom that had prevailed in most of the years since. I am going to say it more bluntly, because it needs to be said: We are near the tipping point into some sort of civil war.

You may now pause, and wish to ask if I might have blown a gasket, but ladies and gentlemen, we must admit what is true. We now have a government that issues more money to citizens(and some non-citizens) in some form of direct payment than it annually collects in revenues. Those same people are dissatisfied with the amount, and demand still more. Roughly 65% of the Federal government's expenditures go to some sort of redistributive or entitlement program. That includes agricultural subsidies, and most corporate welfare, but does not include the amount we've handed out in bail-outs on a one-time basis due to some supposed crisis or other. At the same time, we know that government is borrowing roughly 40% of what it spends. This means only 60% of its expenditures are covered by revenues. Let me ask once more: Do you not see a problem with this? Again, you are confronted with a stark reality: We now expend more on entitlements to individuals than we now collect. These same beneficiaries now scream that it isn't enough, and are beginning to threaten civil unrest in thinly veiled words.

Whether violence erupts before or after the elections, there will be at least some domestic strife. Leftist groups now openly agitate for "Days of Rage." Consider what message this is meant to deliver. You don't pay enough, they argue , and whether through threats or violence, they intend to have whatever they want and demand. Need I clarify this further? You say, "but Mark, surely they can see you can't squeeze blood from a turnip." I'm telling you that they're willing to settle for turnip soup. You can try to rationalize it in any manner you wish, and try to comfort yourself with the notion that these people wouldn't eat the goose that lays the golden egg. I'm telling you flatly that they'll happily pluck and roast the engine of capitalism because they have been convinced that they're entitled to do so. Who convinced them? You did.

You convinced them because in every previous challenge, in the name of "getting along," or "being compassionate," you have wavered and relented in the face of their demands. With the creation of each additional program over the last century or so, you've said to them that their unlimited wishes will be met. Has it never bothered you that people who claim to seek help due to a desperate need now make their requests in the form of a demand? Finally, and perhaps a bit too late, you're onto them. That's what the Tea Party really is: It's born of the recognition that it's time to begin saying "No." Your problem is that they're no longer accustomed to being told "No." Why would they be otherwise? You have acceded to all previous demands. We have arrived fully in the age of moral cannibalism, and what now threatens our future is the real thing in all its terrifying forms.

This civil war will not be defined so much by geography as by ethical orientation, but in truth, if we examine the last civil war, the lines merely happened to coincide with geography, but it too was about legal and moral considerations. What defined the last war was a notion about the right of states as sovereigns, irrespective the underlying issues, and the object was the ultimate power of the Federal government. Everything that has happened since is an outgrowth of the resolved issue of Federal supremacy over the states, but as was inevitable, once the states were almost fully subdued, all that remained was to then control local governments and ultimately, individuals. Rather than having a tiered system, wherein most citizens seldom deal directly with the federal or even state establishments, we have grown all levels of government in such a thoroughly entangled manner, with power over individual citizens being routinely exercised at all levels that rather than resembling the orderly layered cake our founders conceived, our governments now resemble a stew. It is now nearly impossible to discern the individual parts without some effort to separate them. If we are to repair our country, we'll be forced to begin rebuilding our layer cake, each layer with its own distinctive flavor and function. As it is, we now have federal authorities wishing to impose Commercial Drivers' Licenses on farmers on their own property. We have local officials intervening in other matters, like the right to keep and bear arms, where their authority to restrict rights guaranteed under the federal constitution ought to be negligible. The more you turn this over in your head, and the more thoroughly you grasp what has been done, it becomes clear that whatever layer of government you ought to be engaging in a particular matter, if at all, they are becoming one uniform mass from top to bottom. We are becoming the Soviet Union.

If this all seems a bit too overly dramatic to you, consider the increasingly frequent instances of local governments gone berserk with power, with such things as requiring business licenses of children who wish to set up lemonade stands. There shouldn't be an American alive who doesn't get a sick feeling in the pit of the stomach at the mere thought. That some sort of ridiculously power-hungry government officials who would even think to enforce such a thing should cause you no shortage of concern. No, we mustn't allow our children to experiment in capitalism. No, we mustn't let them experience a capitalism limited only by the extent of their own dedication and imagination. Do you see what this does to our culture, at is simplest, most innocent root? It corrupts it with cynicism about an honest day's work or entrepreneurship and instills submission to the arbitrary demands of government officials, no matter how unreasonable. I now ask you: Isn't this what we have permitted ourselves to become?

I can already imagine the critiques of my leftist counterparts, who will in shrill tones denounce and dismiss what I have said, in the main because they know it to be true. Somehow, like every vanguard of statist "intellectuals" in history, the current crop also believes they will somehow be held harmless and immune, but in truth, once those of us who stand for liberty are displaced, what these self-defrauding useful idiots will discover is that we had been the only thing protecting them, too.

Now, considering this as your actual situation, and armed with this knowledge, what are you to do? Will you flee? Submit? What will be your course? For my part, I will fight. For now, we may expect to fight as we are, in politics, and words, but there may yet come a time when more will be required. To defend this Republic, I will give all if need be. My oath didn't end with my term of service, and I don't know of any statute of limitation upon it. I know most of you feel likewise. Let us work now with extra fervor within the political process in the sincere effort to avert the worst of it.

Part of our problem, nationally, but particularly as conservatives and Republicans, exists in the realm of what we called "enemy identification" when I was in the Army. If you don't know who to fight, it's damned-well difficult to prevail. The simplest answer must be that we must oppose any who wish to further trample our constitution, or otherwise negate its guarantees. We must also demand a stoppage to the inclusion of false guarantees it never contained, but have been increasingly discovered there nonetheless.

We must arise for the task before us, and it is a solemn and difficult chore in the best of times. We must restore our governments, all of them, to their proper limited roles. Some number of our fellow Americans are going to resist a restoration because it means that so much of what they've come to demand by right will no longer be, and this is the first point of conflict, and the threat of that moment will be the probable impetus to a change in the terms of this struggle from the political to the violent. The question is again laid before us: What sort of nation shall we be? What sort of freedom do you seek? What is a right?

We've been building to this for a very long time. The resolution will likely be as sudden in a historical sense as it is likely to be final. Will we continue as a Republic, restoring our liberties, or will we be fundamentally transformed into something even worse than we've already become? Ayn Rand once admonished us through the fictional character of John Galt in the book Atlas Shrugged that no nation could continue indefinitely as half property and half loot. Look around you. What have we become? As we live out the worst of that novel, and seem poised to go to a still more ignominious end, I'm asking you to consider arresting its decline while there's still time. It may be that I'm no different from those in the book who thought it could be saved when it couldn't, but I suspect we've still enough people who know the lessons of history well enough to avoid repeating them.

If that's so, then let us embark on this first campaign, not to wrest control yet from our statist adversaries of the left, but of their complicit collaborators who would claim our friendship on our side. We must settle on a candidate who will be able to bring them back into the fold, without making further compromise to them. Then we can begin to gear ourselves up for the larger struggle. Mark Levin had it right when he titled his book Liberty and Tyranny. Those are now the distinct choices. There has been only one individual of national prominence who has stated this basic thesis consistently, in many contexts and forms for the last three years or more. None have said it more succinctly or plainly. In 2012, we will have Barack Obama on their side of this argument, and we will have Sarah Palin on ours, if we're wise. There turns the conflict. There will be determined the course of our nation. Will we restore our nation, or slide over the precipice into historical insignificance? Will we emerge as a nation aimed back in the direction of liberty, or will we follow the path of tyranny? The choice is yours, and the time to make it is running out.


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To: MarkAmerica
Are we essentially FUBAR'd?

The future hasn't been written yet. The country is in a big hole, but *currently* the world is willing to tolerate that, in exchange for status quo that fits their needs.

If we get a President that is good, and the Congress that is good, then the trend can be reversed. The USA is a large country, with plenty of resources and with population that is well educated (some of it, at least.) Anyone on FR could come up with a 10 or 20 year recovery plan that will stabilize and eventually pay the debt.

But as things are, nobody in power is willing to even try those measures. It looks like the government and the Congress are high on drugs as are steering the country, giggling uncontrollably, into the abyss. If for some unfathomable reason the populace comes to its senses and elects a President who is smart, tough and loves the country, then this President will be bound in red tape and made ineffectual. If that President starts wiggling in those bonds, her life may be at risk (just ask JFK.)

Considering all that, I tend to reluctantly agree that the state of FUBAR is coming. In some aspects of life it is already here; for example, the justice system is already unusable - the citizens ARE afraid to call the police, but the criminals are NOT afraid of the police. Black is white.

There are many books and movies that depict possible future anarchy. I fear that they are all right. Lacking the desire for survival, the society moves toward the catastrophe inch by inch. Reduction of entitlements will be the tipping point. So far the government keeps shoveling money, more and more of it, into the maw of the entitlement demon. But eventually it will run out of money, or the demon decides that he wants more still. You can't keep him sated forever - there is not enough resources on the whole planet to feed and house a hundred million people who produce nothing but want to consume everything.

41 posted on 08/21/2011 3:12:15 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: steveo

Where will you go(approximately) Steveo?


42 posted on 08/21/2011 3:13:13 PM PDT by MarkAmerica (I support Sarah Palin because she supports me.)
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To: bigheadfred

There ARE jobs; they just don’t pay what the applicants think they are worth.

I compete against Chicom manufacturers who pay fifty cents per hour. I cannot afford to pay a green worker more than minimum wage to do manufacturing tasks that don’t even require literacy. I have hired and fired over 50 people in the last ten years. Most don’t last a day. It’s just too hard for the pampered kids who think they should get $25/hr for unskilled labor.

BTW, I beat the Chicoms every day with higher quality, better technology, and faster turnaround. My workers were all born in the Old Country and grew up the hard way. They are outstanding, tough men of character who think it is macho to work in 105F ten hours straight to meet a deadline. No whining; they love their overtime checks.

I started working at age eleven for fifty cents per hour when it was 105F, and my job was not in the shade!

Sometimes people only learn the hard way. My parents were products of ranch and farm life during the Dust Bowl and the Depression. If our country is lucky, the current crop of youngsters will learn from the pain our country is about to endure.


43 posted on 08/21/2011 3:13:31 PM PDT by darth
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To: MarkAmerica
Very good essay!

Unfortunately, I'm afraid we're headed for a time of great tribulation not only in America but worldwide. I think this is it, as much as I wish it weren't.

I believe in continuing to fight the good fight but also to prepare for God's plan being different from our plans, at least for the near term.

As Beck said today at Restoring Courage in Israel, "Gang, we're on a freeway and there's a bridge out and we've passed all the exits (paraphrasing)."

Our last exit IMO was to use the debt ceiling as a lever to reduce federal spending. We failed miserably and succeeded in further dividing the nation.

Those who make it through this will see the birth of a new age with the expansion of the founder's ideas on liberty, freedom and Divine guidance and probably much, much more.

Pray that God cuts the days of tribulation short as promised in Mathew 24:22.

44 posted on 08/21/2011 3:16:42 PM PDT by Errant
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To: All

I apologize for the double post.


45 posted on 08/21/2011 3:18:18 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Obama read Mao, Sarah read Sun Tzu)
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To: MarkAmerica

One more comment.

I think what has been lost is the concept of natural law. That there is a law of human relationships that is just as real as any other law of nature.

Many, many people don’t know that to get something done you can’t do yourself, you find someone who can do it, be nice, shake their hand, discuss the job, negotiate the payment, say thank you when the job is done and pay with a smile on your face.

Conversely many, many people don’t know that to get money you find someone who is willing to pay for what you can do, be nice, shake their hand, discuss the job, negotiate the payment and say thank you when they pay with a smile on their face.

That basic human interaction has been lost. Too many think you “demand payment” and stop the person with money from going anywhere else.

Add on to that progressivism which tries to replace what happens naturally with some imposed system and you have a group of politicians whose relationships (and reality) depend on something entirely different than natural relationships. These people simply don’t have one clue as to what a free and fair world is like. They don’t know it and they don’t want it.

With the debt spiraling out of control in the next three to six years, something new will come about. The ways of today must go away. I have no idea what will replace it but I’m sure that in some way those who produce must have more influence than those who don’t. It probably won’t involve proportional representation.


46 posted on 08/21/2011 3:20:19 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: Travis McGee

I took a stab at mapping that out. Interesting process, but a lot of data to juggle. Hope I can fill out the full map before we need it.


47 posted on 08/21/2011 3:20:38 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: MarkAmerica
South of the equator, about a 14 hour flight out of SFO and not Aussie or Kiwi. A corrupt heavily bureaucratic country but at least they don't pretend they aren't.

Cost of living very cheap, never cold, extremely nice people... why not?

48 posted on 08/21/2011 3:27:16 PM PDT by steveo (PETO-VT-IN-MARI-SVB-CRVCE-AVSTRALI-SEPELIAR)
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To: MarkAmerica

Bflr


49 posted on 08/21/2011 3:35:30 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: darth; JustaDumbBlonde
they love their overtime checks.

Yeah. Overtime. I put a couple of hours of overtime on my weekly 40 a while back. My net pay was less than a regular 40. Something about the tax structure. Learned my lesson. Had about the same in overtime this last week. I just put down my regular 40. Told the boss I would just add them to a short week. Pretty happy to have this job. That good paying one deserted me last year.

Anyone out there want to describe what Hoggin Daze ice cream tastes like? I have never had it before.

50 posted on 08/21/2011 3:35:47 PM PDT by bigheadfred (The world needs wannabees)
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To: wtc911
I was born in 1963. I'm sorry, but you're flat out wrong. In those previous times things were much different:

---We didn't have a housing crisis.

---We didn't have 20 million bold and self-entitled illegals occupying our country.

---We hadn't shipped almost our entire manufacturing base overseas.

---We weren't $14 trillion in debt.

---We didn't have a two party system that consisted of a leftist party (R) and a straight-up Marxist one(D).

51 posted on 08/21/2011 3:47:36 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: wtc911
I assume that you were not around as an integrated adult during the race/right/war/anti-everything civil violence of the fifties, sixties and early seventies...We have been through much worse. We will get through this.

I think what a lot of people fail to realize is that those tumultuous times never really ended; they were not something that happened and that we recovered from. In fact, those movements and events occurred during our long slide downhill, and we're pretty close to hitting the bottom now. Those anti-everything hippies weren't defeated; they now run the US government and most of the lower governments. Restoring our country and culture is going to require much more decisive action than just waiting it out.
52 posted on 08/21/2011 3:48:35 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: MarkAmerica

I think the difference is that many leftist politicians in the past thought their policies would make this a greater country. They were mistaken. Today’s leftist politicians hate this country and want a Cloward-Piven Strategy to destroy it. Looking at their policies, they are right on target. I think we are in for a big fight no matter who wins the next presidential election. What Atlas Shrugged omitted was the leftists killing tens of millions who did not want to be slaves. So many times that the total killed by their own leftist governments in the last century exceeds 100 million. The current regime of Mao lovers is pretty transparent for those paying attention.


53 posted on 08/21/2011 3:48:35 PM PDT by MtnClimber (A government powerful enough to tell you what to eat can tell you when you can breathe.)
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To: Travis McGee

I’m holding down Corner #4...I am well motivated, well educated, well trained, well “prepped”, well armed and turn ammo into skill at least once a week.

Sometimes though I fell like I’m holding down my “corner” by myself...then I log onto FR and realized there really is an extended FReeper family of like-minded souls who will cover my back.

I thin we’re all going to need each other in the very near future.


54 posted on 08/21/2011 3:49:07 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (There are only two classes of people left in the U.S. - Producers and Parasites.)
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To: MarkAmerica
These same beneficiaries now scream that it isn't enough, and are beginning to threaten civil unrest in thinly veiled words.

I'll see your "thinly veiled words"..........

and raise you with hard, pointed, high velocity lead.

If there is civil unrest, I'll do my level best to make sure it's very violent, one sided and short lived.

Go ahead....jump.

55 posted on 08/21/2011 3:50:47 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Have ya hit 'em in the a$$, Never let off the gas 'til ya rolled into Victory Lane?)
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To: glock rocks

so right.

and the masses of the left have been empowered by entitlements.


56 posted on 08/21/2011 3:51:18 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: steveo
"Even if our side was in power (if you could call them allies) I believe we’d still be heading down the same path. SO my wife and I have made our plans to get out while we still can. In three years one way or the other we will leave. I love my country and those here that still believe like me but my self-preservation instincts have kicked in. I see strife in the near future and plan to be half a world away before it comes to a head."

If Obama gets a second term, by whatever means, I expect there will be stringent capital controls to prevent transfers out of the country and various punitive measures to make leaving a real pain in the @#$$%! I also expect that retirement accounts like 401ks will be subject to some form of government control and levy that will be disguised as protecting the people from reduced value, but will really give the government the power to drawn the balances and replace them with worthless promises. I guess what I am saying is that individuals who are planning on relocating need to be moving assets now as much as possible.

57 posted on 08/21/2011 3:51:54 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: MarkAmerica

Yeah. We’re FUBAR.

1) A large percentage of Americans have never held a real job, much less aspired to a realistic career. Young people (and too many middle aged people) mark themselves with tattoos that make them virtually unemployable in a respectable business.

2) The corporations continue to take money out of the economy as Americans (and the government) borrow to pay the bills. Prices go up, but no one that takes home a paycheck is making more money. They tell the worker to remain loyal and then lay him off as soon as they can find a cheaper replacement. They rob our retirement accounts and give us a 401k and then Wall St computers ensure that the value never increases through a series of ups and downs that allows the big investors to profit, but screws the mutual fund holders.

3) The working class is beginning to see the futility of even trying to get ahead. Work is fast becoming something that only suckers do. Everyone else steals, scams, begs, and/or sticks a hand out for their money.

4) Morality is a joke that society uses to snicker at people they deem old-fashioned for working, staying married, respecting others, etc. Religion that means anything is laughed at, but any denomiation that is “tolerant” is hailed as the “next great path to heaven”.

5) All of our societal “systems” are broken. Education, justice, law enforcement, consumer protections, environmental protection are all designed to take money from the taxpayer and fund bloated bureaucracies that promise everything and deliver nothing. We even fight our wars so that the military-industrial complex can profit, while our men and women die for wars that the leaders have no intention of letting them win.

So, yes, we’re FUBAR. It will require a full reboot with a lot of pain and suffering to set things right again. It is something I do not want to see happen.


58 posted on 08/21/2011 3:55:38 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: LasVegasMac
If there is civil unrest, I'll do my level best to make sure it's very violent, one sided and short lived.

Amen to that. I'm not looking to find a better place to live overseas. I'm not looking to find an out-of-the-way place to hide from the coming troubles. I'm just waiting for go time, and then I'm going to wade in neck deep.
59 posted on 08/21/2011 3:58:23 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Travis McGee

A collapsing Federal Govt. doesn’t mean that the sates have disappeared. The next civil war will be like last one, a few states taking a chance on secession rather than going down with the ship.


60 posted on 08/21/2011 4:03:45 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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