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The Coming Wars
MarkAmerica ^ | 08/21/2011 | Mark America

Posted on 08/21/2011 2:00:18 PM PDT by MarkAmerica


For my conservative and Tea Party brethren, there must now be an acknowledgment that the immediate future looks quite grim. We have a country in some stage of collapse, though I contend that like a free-falling elevator, the rate at which it's falling may not be entirely apparent to its occupants until it hits the ground. As this situation worsens, we must consider what's ahead, how we'll stop it if we can, and salvage it if we're able. For the country to be restored, we'll be compelled to adopt a more proactive stance, because it's probably going to get messy. We face the greater war for our culture and our country, but before we can wage that one to a successful conclusion, we will need to win the opening skirmish.

The Presidential nomination cannot be allowed to go to a useless, tepid, weak candidate who will not pursue the restoration of the country with full vigor. We should consider this primary like an instructive field training exercise, whereby we will polish our skills and extend our endurance, because the other engagements will demand it. As I detailed yesterday, there can really be one candidate among all those under consideration who is able to take on this difficult duty and hope to prevail.

One of the problems in this political season is with us. We've largely failed to understand the larger trends and the clear signals of impending danger those trends are transmitting. People have compared this coming season to 1980, noting its significance is greater than all the election years from them until now. This is an error. A few have even remarked, myself one or twice, that his is more like 1932, but this is also wrong. It's much more substantial than that, and I need your undivided attention in considering it fully. The coming election year is most like 1860, and we're facing a different sort of war to stop a different sort of slavery, and to restore the freedom that had prevailed in most of the years since. I am going to say it more bluntly, because it needs to be said: We are near the tipping point into some sort of civil war.

You may now pause, and wish to ask if I might have blown a gasket, but ladies and gentlemen, we must admit what is true. We now have a government that issues more money to citizens(and some non-citizens) in some form of direct payment than it annually collects in revenues. Those same people are dissatisfied with the amount, and demand still more. Roughly 65% of the Federal government's expenditures go to some sort of redistributive or entitlement program. That includes agricultural subsidies, and most corporate welfare, but does not include the amount we've handed out in bail-outs on a one-time basis due to some supposed crisis or other. At the same time, we know that government is borrowing roughly 40% of what it spends. This means only 60% of its expenditures are covered by revenues. Let me ask once more: Do you not see a problem with this? Again, you are confronted with a stark reality: We now expend more on entitlements to individuals than we now collect. These same beneficiaries now scream that it isn't enough, and are beginning to threaten civil unrest in thinly veiled words.

Whether violence erupts before or after the elections, there will be at least some domestic strife. Leftist groups now openly agitate for "Days of Rage." Consider what message this is meant to deliver. You don't pay enough, they argue , and whether through threats or violence, they intend to have whatever they want and demand. Need I clarify this further? You say, "but Mark, surely they can see you can't squeeze blood from a turnip." I'm telling you that they're willing to settle for turnip soup. You can try to rationalize it in any manner you wish, and try to comfort yourself with the notion that these people wouldn't eat the goose that lays the golden egg. I'm telling you flatly that they'll happily pluck and roast the engine of capitalism because they have been convinced that they're entitled to do so. Who convinced them? You did.

You convinced them because in every previous challenge, in the name of "getting along," or "being compassionate," you have wavered and relented in the face of their demands. With the creation of each additional program over the last century or so, you've said to them that their unlimited wishes will be met. Has it never bothered you that people who claim to seek help due to a desperate need now make their requests in the form of a demand? Finally, and perhaps a bit too late, you're onto them. That's what the Tea Party really is: It's born of the recognition that it's time to begin saying "No." Your problem is that they're no longer accustomed to being told "No." Why would they be otherwise? You have acceded to all previous demands. We have arrived fully in the age of moral cannibalism, and what now threatens our future is the real thing in all its terrifying forms.

This civil war will not be defined so much by geography as by ethical orientation, but in truth, if we examine the last civil war, the lines merely happened to coincide with geography, but it too was about legal and moral considerations. What defined the last war was a notion about the right of states as sovereigns, irrespective the underlying issues, and the object was the ultimate power of the Federal government. Everything that has happened since is an outgrowth of the resolved issue of Federal supremacy over the states, but as was inevitable, once the states were almost fully subdued, all that remained was to then control local governments and ultimately, individuals. Rather than having a tiered system, wherein most citizens seldom deal directly with the federal or even state establishments, we have grown all levels of government in such a thoroughly entangled manner, with power over individual citizens being routinely exercised at all levels that rather than resembling the orderly layered cake our founders conceived, our governments now resemble a stew. It is now nearly impossible to discern the individual parts without some effort to separate them. If we are to repair our country, we'll be forced to begin rebuilding our layer cake, each layer with its own distinctive flavor and function. As it is, we now have federal authorities wishing to impose Commercial Drivers' Licenses on farmers on their own property. We have local officials intervening in other matters, like the right to keep and bear arms, where their authority to restrict rights guaranteed under the federal constitution ought to be negligible. The more you turn this over in your head, and the more thoroughly you grasp what has been done, it becomes clear that whatever layer of government you ought to be engaging in a particular matter, if at all, they are becoming one uniform mass from top to bottom. We are becoming the Soviet Union.

If this all seems a bit too overly dramatic to you, consider the increasingly frequent instances of local governments gone berserk with power, with such things as requiring business licenses of children who wish to set up lemonade stands. There shouldn't be an American alive who doesn't get a sick feeling in the pit of the stomach at the mere thought. That some sort of ridiculously power-hungry government officials who would even think to enforce such a thing should cause you no shortage of concern. No, we mustn't allow our children to experiment in capitalism. No, we mustn't let them experience a capitalism limited only by the extent of their own dedication and imagination. Do you see what this does to our culture, at is simplest, most innocent root? It corrupts it with cynicism about an honest day's work or entrepreneurship and instills submission to the arbitrary demands of government officials, no matter how unreasonable. I now ask you: Isn't this what we have permitted ourselves to become?

I can already imagine the critiques of my leftist counterparts, who will in shrill tones denounce and dismiss what I have said, in the main because they know it to be true. Somehow, like every vanguard of statist "intellectuals" in history, the current crop also believes they will somehow be held harmless and immune, but in truth, once those of us who stand for liberty are displaced, what these self-defrauding useful idiots will discover is that we had been the only thing protecting them, too.

Now, considering this as your actual situation, and armed with this knowledge, what are you to do? Will you flee? Submit? What will be your course? For my part, I will fight. For now, we may expect to fight as we are, in politics, and words, but there may yet come a time when more will be required. To defend this Republic, I will give all if need be. My oath didn't end with my term of service, and I don't know of any statute of limitation upon it. I know most of you feel likewise. Let us work now with extra fervor within the political process in the sincere effort to avert the worst of it.

Part of our problem, nationally, but particularly as conservatives and Republicans, exists in the realm of what we called "enemy identification" when I was in the Army. If you don't know who to fight, it's damned-well difficult to prevail. The simplest answer must be that we must oppose any who wish to further trample our constitution, or otherwise negate its guarantees. We must also demand a stoppage to the inclusion of false guarantees it never contained, but have been increasingly discovered there nonetheless.

We must arise for the task before us, and it is a solemn and difficult chore in the best of times. We must restore our governments, all of them, to their proper limited roles. Some number of our fellow Americans are going to resist a restoration because it means that so much of what they've come to demand by right will no longer be, and this is the first point of conflict, and the threat of that moment will be the probable impetus to a change in the terms of this struggle from the political to the violent. The question is again laid before us: What sort of nation shall we be? What sort of freedom do you seek? What is a right?

We've been building to this for a very long time. The resolution will likely be as sudden in a historical sense as it is likely to be final. Will we continue as a Republic, restoring our liberties, or will we be fundamentally transformed into something even worse than we've already become? Ayn Rand once admonished us through the fictional character of John Galt in the book Atlas Shrugged that no nation could continue indefinitely as half property and half loot. Look around you. What have we become? As we live out the worst of that novel, and seem poised to go to a still more ignominious end, I'm asking you to consider arresting its decline while there's still time. It may be that I'm no different from those in the book who thought it could be saved when it couldn't, but I suspect we've still enough people who know the lessons of history well enough to avoid repeating them.

If that's so, then let us embark on this first campaign, not to wrest control yet from our statist adversaries of the left, but of their complicit collaborators who would claim our friendship on our side. We must settle on a candidate who will be able to bring them back into the fold, without making further compromise to them. Then we can begin to gear ourselves up for the larger struggle. Mark Levin had it right when he titled his book Liberty and Tyranny. Those are now the distinct choices. There has been only one individual of national prominence who has stated this basic thesis consistently, in many contexts and forms for the last three years or more. None have said it more succinctly or plainly. In 2012, we will have Barack Obama on their side of this argument, and we will have Sarah Palin on ours, if we're wise. There turns the conflict. There will be determined the course of our nation. Will we restore our nation, or slide over the precipice into historical insignificance? Will we emerge as a nation aimed back in the direction of liberty, or will we follow the path of tyranny? The choice is yours, and the time to make it is running out.


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To: MarkAmerica

I agree that we are too far gone. We are awash in multiculturism, generational entitlement cultures, and now it seems the beginnings of outright racial conflict, no matter how the media and the politicians try to spin it.

We have MILLIONS of able bodied in this country who have never worked an honest days work in their life and neither did their parents. Nor will their children. They do not have a work ethic to pass on nor did they receive one. They have learned to live on the forced charity (taxes) of others while demanding even more. Their ethics and mores are completely the polar opposite for a successful society. Adopting it or even acknowledging it is folly and has been the undoing of many.

We have allowed ourselves to be invaded by foreign cultures and religious cults who have absolutely no intention of leaving or assimilating. In fact, they contain revolutionaries whose express desire and mission is to bring this nation low.

The present and near future are lost, it’s time to think how the face of the nation will look after the great upheaval. I expect that everything we know will change. Whatever may come, we MUST remember how we got here and NEVER fail again.


21 posted on 08/21/2011 2:38:17 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Obama read Mao, Sarah read Sun Tzu)
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To: Travis McGee
Up... Dan & Nick are on the way to the convention
22 posted on 08/21/2011 2:38:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: MarkAmerica

Too late you ask… America didn’t become the greatest country on earth by itself. Faith and prayer in ‘The Almighty’ brought His gifts upon us. By His rewards the United States of America became what she … was.

Remember we live in a fallen world, Satan’s world. It’s only by faith in Christ that we shall be saved, both here and in eternal heaven.

An act of God could prevail and give us our country back. You’re so right… it’s up to us.


23 posted on 08/21/2011 2:40:41 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: MarkAmerica

We HAVE TO elect a strong Republican President that will wield the “veto” pen, and appoint Federal Agency Administrators that will reverse the thousands of regulations being written to “transform this country” into a dictatorship. Obama wasn’t kidding. He may be on vacation, but he’s appointed people to get the job done, on a day to day basis, to bring this country to its knees.


24 posted on 08/21/2011 2:41:31 PM PDT by radioone (Don't let the media pick our nominee. "Palin 2012")
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To: MarkAmerica
If we win, there will be widespread violence. If we lose, there will violence just as sweeping, but slower and more like a progressive fatal disease. As we fight for who controls our house, we must recognize that conservatives are handicapped in that they want to repair and make the country better,to restore individual rights, and conservatives have always been willing to continue to work within the system even if they lose.

The left intends to rule and would rather burn the house down than let go of the levers of power. We have to learn that we cannot change the course of America against this type of domestic enemy unless we are willing to face cities burning and overt sabotage by those elements of government controlled by the left.

25 posted on 08/21/2011 2:44:52 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Molon Labbie

I’ve become concerned that what you and others before you have said is true: We crossed that invisible line some time ago, without taking notice. I’m a big Ayn Rand fan, but the notion that this is necessarily inevitable has never sat well with me. I like to think that it’s possible to fix things, but I’m a realist and I can see the extent of what you’re saying and know it is probably, almost certainly true. I also tire of being told “don’t get so ramped-up over it.” There’s a widespread belief that this is just another phase, but the problem is that I, apparently like most of the respondents here, seem to agree that this is a stage in a larger cycle of birth, growth, maturity, regression and death that haunts the footsteps of all cultures. Me? I’m 46. If I live another week, month or year doesn’t matter so much to me. I’ve never been scared in that way. I think about my young adult daughter, and that makes me wince. I raised her to think like me, and that appears to be obsolete in the coming cultural norms.

For me, I could care less, in truth, but on her account, I fear as any father would.


26 posted on 08/21/2011 2:49:49 PM PDT by MarkAmerica (I support Sarah Palin because she supports me.)
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To: bigheadfred
"And the reason I think so is that most of the people who scream about cutting off entitlements are, in some sense, living off entitlements themselves."

Would you care to elaborate? "In some sense"?

27 posted on 08/21/2011 2:52:09 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: wtc911

I disagree. This is very different.

The big difference between the 60’s and now is that back then the “rioters” were a very small portion of the society, mostly college kids. their parents were working and the massive welfare state was still in its infancy compared to now.

The depression was “worse” , but the mentality was VERY different of those out of work and the whole society. People wanted food for their families, not bling. With no welfare state men would go far off to work on the WPA, making very, very few dollars and sending that home, living in primitive encampments while they did very hard manual labor.

What I fear is that the entitlement group is so huge now and the work ethic so savaged, we are in a different universe with Feral Youts who get drugged out and are ready to plunder and kill. THAT was not the case in such huge volumes before.

And now I am going to have some of my Hagen Dasz chocolate ice cream..the only sane response to our current situation.


28 posted on 08/21/2011 2:52:14 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Truth29

Truth29, that’s exactly how I have come to see it. We can get it on, or go quietly in a long whimpering demise. Too melodramatic? Perhaps, but it doesn’t seem so from here.


29 posted on 08/21/2011 2:53:17 PM PDT by MarkAmerica (I support Sarah Palin because she supports me.)
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To: Chode

Try to leave time free to read the last hundred or so pages in one go.


30 posted on 08/21/2011 2:54:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Nah, not really. I generate enough hate as it is.


31 posted on 08/21/2011 2:54:37 PM PDT by bigheadfred (The world needs wannabees)
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To: MarkAmerica

Of all the threads I read today, the mood here is quite solemn.


32 posted on 08/21/2011 2:56:00 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: MarkAmerica

“Will we restore our nation, or slide over the precipice into historical insignificance?”

I’m becoming more and more pessimistic. We can’t even get into a discussion about SS here on FR without someone saying “I paid into it and that money better not be taken away from me by insignificant COLA increases.” I’m not worried that liberals are trying to take this country down. Am am worried that people who call themselves conservative don’t know what it will take to keep it going.

Just today I had someone here on FR say to me that tax cuts not matched by spending cuts were just fine with him because “it’s still a good thing when people get to keep more of their own money regardless of what happens on the other side in DC.” I mean my goodness.


33 posted on 08/21/2011 2:58:25 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: Travis McGee

Nice cube, but it appears that #1 and #2 are reversed in the description.


34 posted on 08/21/2011 3:00:33 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: sawmill trash

I don’t believe it’s too late.
As long as there is breath left it is not too late.

But it is going to be a difficult thing to do when the “entitlements” are adjusted as they will have to be.

As you said, there are people in this country who think they can (and do) demand that they be given everything they need to live ... housing, food, health care, education etc and when any of this is denied them they will have no recourse but to complain and riot.
A lot of them are not equipped to provide any of this for themselves, would have no idea of what to do if they had to.

It will be a difficult time to get through but given the proper people running things it can be done and I hope it is.

What we the people have to do is find suitable leadership to accomplish it.


I agree and am tired of the “too late crowd”...as long as we ask God to intervene and trust that and we don’t give up it is never too late...how many times did Washington say, “It’s too late”? They were outnumbered and outspent and stil won. That is still us.


35 posted on 08/21/2011 3:05:50 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; JustaDumbBlonde
And now I am going to have some of my Hagen Dasz chocolate ice cream

Okay, Blonde, you win...

36 posted on 08/21/2011 3:06:58 PM PDT by bigheadfred (The world needs wannabees)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; MarkAmerica; Travis McGee
The big difference between the 60’s and now is that back then the “rioters” were a very small portion of the society, mostly college kids. their parents were working and the massive welfare state was still in its infancy compared to now.

The SDS, and close travelers were communist designed, directed, and supported. The outgrowth of this cancer now resides in congress and the white house. The big difference is that in the 60's they were only rabble; now, they're in power.

37 posted on 08/21/2011 3:07:41 PM PDT by glock rocks ( I like Palin, but < insert PDS here >)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

Even if our side was in power (if you could call them allies) I believe we’d still be heading down the same path. SO my wife and I have made our plans to get out while we still can. In three years one way or the other we will leave.
I love my country and those here that still believe like me but my self-preservation instincts have kicked in.
I see strife in the near future and plan to be half a world away before it comes to a head.


38 posted on 08/21/2011 3:08:39 PM PDT by steveo (PETO-VT-IN-MARI-SVB-CRVCE-AVSTRALI-SEPELIAR)
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To: MarkAmerica

Mark, we have too many people in the US who cannot be turned back to sensible, productive lives. They are like addicts, they simply cannot and will not be inspired by anything like responsibility, conservativism, patriotism, Judeo-Christian values or by the leaders that embrace these values. Indeed, they would destroy those things if given the chance. In the end, the addiction to others fruits of labor will destroy them because those producers will stop feeding the machine.

You can see it the way people talk, in their eyes, they know its coming. It’s on every forum, in every city and town.

I worry for my son as well and pray if strife comes, it’s while I still have some youth left. Settle this mess and allow our children a better future. They will have it hard no doubt, but if done right, the restoration will be worth it.


39 posted on 08/21/2011 3:10:46 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Obama read Mao, Sarah read Sun Tzu)
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To: MarkAmerica

Mark, we have too many people in the US who cannot be turned back to sensible, productive lives. They are like addicts, they simply cannot and will not be inspired by anything like responsibility, conservativism, patriotism, Judeo-Christian values or by the leaders that embrace these values. Indeed, they would destroy those things if given the chance. In the end, the addiction to others fruits of labor will destroy them because those producers will stop feeding the machine.

You can see it the way people talk, in their eyes, they know its coming. It’s on every forum, in every city and town.

I worry for my son as well and pray if strife comes, it’s while I still have some youth left. Settle this mess and allow our children a better future. They will have it hard no doubt, but if done right, the restoration will be worth it.


40 posted on 08/21/2011 3:10:49 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Obama read Mao, Sarah read Sun Tzu)
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