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Wesley J. Smith: Duty to Die Gains Traction in UK
First Things/Secondhand Smoke ^ | 6/30/11 | Wesley J. Smith

Posted on 07/02/2011 1:10:56 PM PDT by wagglebee

The so-called “duty to die” has been quietly discussed in bioethics for more than a decade. Now, a major British Medical Association leader proposed an implicit duty to die by stating that terminally ill people may have to be denied life-extending treatments due to the costs of their care. From the Scotsman story:

THE leader of Scotland’s doctors has questioned whether society can afford to pay thousands of pounds to keep terminally-ill people alive for weeks or months when health service budgets are under unprecedented strain. Dr Brian Keighley, chairman of the British Medical Association Scotland, said in some cases tens of thousands of pounds were spent on drugs to extend cancer patients’ lives for relatively short periods.

Speaking ahead of his organisation’s annual meeting, the GP said the country had to debate the merits of these kinds of aggressive treatments and the effects they had on the NHS budget. But he stressed any decision had to be made at a society level, rather than being left to doctors.

He’s right about the last part. Doctors should not decide which patients live and which don’t live. But you have to ask yourselves what kind of a society would we become if we decided that when one needs care the most, it will be denied because of the cost (and, let’s face it, their lack of current productivity).

If we (this matter involves far more than the UK) are going to have a “conversation” about which treatments not to fund, I suggest we start with non elective procedures and treatments, i.e. those that are required to preserve life or treat serious illnesses and injuries. We should also reduce over utilization by requiring patients to pay deductibles and co-pays (via means testing). Better that people pay for part or more (depending on where you live) of your own care than throw the most sick and disabled among us out of the life boat. At the very least, those who need care most should not be the first ones denied it.


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KEYWORDS: deathpanels; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; prolife
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But you have to ask yourselves what kind of a society would we become if we decided that when one needs care the most, it will be denied because of the cost (and, let’s face it, their lack of current productivity).

And this is exactly what the utilitarian socialists who comprise the culture of death want.

1 posted on 07/02/2011 1:10:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 07/02/2011 1:12:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 07/02/2011 1:13:00 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 07/02/2011 1:13:45 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

“Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”

What an old outdated concept. Bring on Obamacare and the death squads. /s


5 posted on 07/02/2011 1:15:40 PM PDT by bgill
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Take money away from people in the name of giving them "free" health care, then when they need it tell them it is too expensive.

If they had left the money in the hands of its rightful owners, it wouldn't be their decision.

That's why they wanted to take over health care.

6 posted on 07/02/2011 1:22:07 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: wagglebee
People are going to have to answer for this on the Day of Judgment..


7 posted on 07/02/2011 1:24:36 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If they had left the money in the hands of its rightful owners, it wouldn't be their decision.

That's why they wanted to take over health care.

Precisely!

Socialized medicine has ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT SOCIALISM and that means killing people for the "collective good."

8 posted on 07/02/2011 1:31:11 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

They want death. I say give it to them.


9 posted on 07/02/2011 1:31:49 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (No one is more against progress than a progressive.)
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Who is the "they" you are referring to?
10 posted on 07/02/2011 1:37:54 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
The cull of useless eaters begins. Too many defects per 1000 lines of code? No food for you. You're not worth feeding. The old and sick get culled first. The welfare slackers next. When the government gets to choose who is worthy of life...watch out.
11 posted on 07/02/2011 1:54:04 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: wagglebee

The socialist ideology is a death-cult. A shame it’s followers couldn’t learn to enjoy life. However, if they feel the need to exit early; who am I to prevent them from doing so . . .


12 posted on 07/02/2011 2:01:39 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: wagglebee
I don't know how or when we make a decision that one person's life needs to be saved at all costs while another has the duty to die. One way to make such a decision, and IMHO, the only fair way is to say it can never be the taxpayers' duty to care for any anonymous creature regardless of age or status or putative duties.

When we decide it's the taxpayers' job to pay for maximum possible health, we are on an unavoidable collision course that must lead to the downfall of the civilization that assigns that job to taxpayers.

The United States is on such a course today. The cost of taxpayer maintenance of maximum possible health for all citizens will consume us.

If we take the taxpayer out of the equation, the decision will be made by God and Mother Nature, and that is the only fair way to handle such things. People can take responsibility for their own health with such things as savings and actuarial tables.

When we each have done all we can or choose, we must put the rest in the hands of God.

13 posted on 07/02/2011 2:01:48 PM PDT by stevem
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The duty to die will exist very soon. The only real question remaining being: What particular demographic will have the duty imposed upon them?


14 posted on 07/02/2011 2:09:49 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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This is the inevitable situation that arises first when medical "costs" are presumed to be public costs, and second, after that first presumption leads to socialist medicine schemes, like "Obamacare."

Of course, after abortion's line is crossed infanticide and "duty to die" are inevitable also.

Call it what you will. I call it evil.

15 posted on 07/02/2011 2:10:09 PM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: wagglebee

I swear, a week ago I went to bed in a normal world and woke up in Logan’s Run. Where’s Harold Camping when you need him?


16 posted on 07/02/2011 2:11:23 PM PDT by tanuki (O-voters: wanted Uberman, got Underdog....)
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To: wagglebee

Soylent Green.


17 posted on 07/02/2011 2:33:49 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Just my opinion, but possession of a law degree should put someone at the front of the disposable line. And I suspect folks with medical degrees would be fine with that too.


18 posted on 07/02/2011 3:05:56 PM PDT by katana
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To: wagglebee

As I recall, the NHS will not provide dialysis to patients over the age of 50. But what the hell, at least it’s “free.”


19 posted on 07/02/2011 3:11:35 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Drill Thrawl

“they” don’t want death, they want death for others.

Kavorkian didn’t kill himself, he died normally.

Once you get the idea someone should die, the idea spreads,
In Belgium, they’re taking organs from euthanasia victims and in Holland they’re killing people with early dementia and babies and children, none of whom can “ask” for being killed.

and the bad news: It’s easy for a doctor or nurse to kill and get away with it, so most deaths are never even reported.


20 posted on 07/02/2011 3:19:53 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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