Posted on 06/09/2011 1:51:48 PM PDT by rxsid
"Recent WND Inquiries Appear To Have Established Obama’s Birth In Hawaii.
I don’t know how this slipped below my radar, but back on May 9, 2011, World Net Daily published an investigative report entitled, “Bombshell: U.S. government questioned Obama citizenship“, which – in my opinion – conclusively established that Obama was born in Hawaii. In that report, Aaron Klein revealed official documents stored in US immigration files which chronicle the troubles faced by Obama’s mother’s second husband, Lolo Soetoro, when he petitioned the US Government for a visa extension.
The WND report correctly notes that US officials expressed an interest in determining whether Soetoro’s step-son, President Obama, was actually a US citizen. The US officials who were handling Soetoro’s Visa extension application made copious notes in the file and the official comments therein illustrate that these officials doubted some of Soetoro’s statements. So, they decided to investigate the relationships listed in his application.
Below is the text of the relevant portion of the WND report:
One critical exchange is dated August 21, 1967, from Sam Benson, an officer at the Southwest Immigration and Naturalization Service office in San Pedro, Calif.Benson’s query stated, “There is nothing in the file to document the status of the spouse’s son. Please inquire into his citizenship and residence status and determine whether or not he is the applicant’s child within the meaning of Section 101(b)(1)(B) of the Act, who may suffer exceptional hardship within the meaning of Section 212(a).”
The reference is to the Immigration and Naturalization Act, which defined a “child” as an unmarried person under 21 years of age who, among other qualifiers, could be a “stepchild,” whether or not born out of wedlock, provided the child had not reached the “age of eighteen years at the time the marriage creating the status of stepchild occurred.”
A response to Benson’s inquiry came from one “W.L. Mix” of the central immigration office, who determined Obama was a U.S. citizen.
Mix replied: “Pursuant to inquiry from central office regarding the status of the applicants’ spouse’s child by a former marriage.”
“The person in question is a United States citizen by virtue of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, Aug. 4, 1961. He is living with the applicants’ spouse in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is considered the applicant’s step-child, within the meaning of Sec. 101(b)(1)(B), of the act, by virtue of the marriage of the applicant to the child’s mother on March 5, 1965.”The files do not state how the office determined Obama was born in Honolulu.
So here we see the US Government looking into an application for Visa extension by Soetoro. Further review of those documents reveal that the officials did not trust everything in Soetoro’s application. Therefore, the Government officials wanted to establish whether Obama Jr. was truly a US citizen. They made a direct inquiry on this very issue. And they concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Again, this was established by “W.L. Mix” of the central immigration office.
Having taken such an exhaustive look into Soetoro’s application, and especially considering the government’s examination of Obama’s citizenship, I don’t see how the government officials involved would have overlooked the fact that Stanley Ann Dunham would have been out of the US and far away in Kenya on the date W.L. Mix established as DOB for Obama – if Obama had been born in Kenya.
Furthermore, a report today by WND, “Documents show marriage of Obama’s parents a sham“, illustrates that a similar investigation as to Obama, Sr. was conducted when he was also applying for a Visa extension. Those official documents include a handwritten memo from the file, written by (presumed) INS official William Wood, which states that Obama Sr.’s son, “Barack Obama II”, was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961.
Moreover, in today’s WND article, Jerome Corsi concludes, as a result of reviewing all of the relevant INS documents, that if President Obama was born in Kenya, Dunham must have traveled there without Obama Sr., who was definitely in the US on August 4, 1961, according to these US Government records. This analysis by Corsi is correct. Obama Sr.’s presence in the US at the time of Obama’s birth is now sufficiently documented. This fact alone adds very heavy weight to President Obama having been born in the US.
I don’t see how two sets of US government officials, independently investigating the relationships between Soetoro and Dunham on one hand, and Obama Sr. and Dunham on the other, could both fail to reveal that Dunham would have been in Kenya at the time of Obama Jr.’s birth. The government officials would’ve had access to Dunham’s passport files. The contents thereof were relevant to the investigations since she was married to both men, and the marriages were relevant to immigration status, as was the issue of children.
Those who persist in accusing Obama of not being born in Hawaii do so in light of official government investigations, between 1961 and 1966, which established his birth, to the satisfaction of inquisitive government immigration officials, as having taken place on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii, USA.
As far as I’m concerned, the issue is settled with a massive presumption of authenticity. I do not see how the information published by WND regarding US immigration official W.L. Mix’s investigation into Obama’s US citizenship flew so far below the radar. That is the single most important fact I have come across that establishes Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
CLOSURE IS POSSIBLE WITH REGARD TO BC ISSUE.
For those who insist on keeping the birther circus alive and kickin’ (despite the info listed above), I believe there is a simple way to settle the issue once and for all. I have found two references to the fact that the US Government keeps passport “issuance” records for all passports issued. The most recent is from Congressional testimony on the House floor from March 10, 1998:
“In addition, the committee on conference is aware that on weekends there is no Departmental procedure or mechanism to access the passport issuance records maintained by the Consular Affairs Bureau. The result is that when a foreign law enforcement authority inquires about the status of a person or passport on the weekend, the State Department does not or cannot respond. This is a clear deficiency in border security procedures.” (See pg. 41/53 in the PDF counter.)
The second reference is to a US Government GAO report – written for the Secretary of State – that argued for the destruction of passport application materials. The destruction of such materials was the basis of more conspiracy theories as to Dunham’s various passport applications and renewals requested in a previous FOIA by Christopher Strunk.
Unfortunately, the FOIA request by Strunk, which has been well documented online, failed to request passport “issuance” records for Stanley Ann Dunham. Strunk only requested passport “application” materials. And the government’s reply to his FOIA request was specifically limited to passport “application” materials. Since Strunk didn’t specifically ask for passport “issuance” records, the government was not obligated to search for those records… but they do exist and they can be found.
The GAO report – which refers to passport issue cards – documents the destruction of passport application materials, but it notes that the Government retains all “old passport issue cards”:
“During numerous discussions with GSA about document retention periods, Department officials have presented many reasons for the continued storage of original passport applications. They have placed great emphasis in pointing out that old passport applications can be used to derive the citizenship of others…But other ways are just as reliable and effective… Should the Department need to verify if a parent was ever issued a passport, old passport issue cards have been microfilmed and can be referenced by the Department.“ (See pg. 44/70 in the PDF counter.)
Therefore, if Stanley Ann Dunham had been issued a passport prior to President Obama’s birth, there will be a passport issue card available with that information. If no such card exists, Dunham did not have a passport prior to August 4, 1961, and Obama could not have been born in Kenya. She would have needed a passport to be in Kenya.
It is my opinion that a proper FOIA request for passport issue cards (or copies thereof) will establish that Stanley Ann Dunham did not have a passport prior to August 4, 1961. Such a request must be SPECIFICALLY designed to eliminate all wiggle room. I suggest the following wording:
Please forward all passport issue cards and/or microfilm or microfiche copies, or any other copies thereof – or any other documents – which reference the issuance of any passport for Stanley Ann Dunham. To be perfectly clear in my FOIA request, please understand that I am NOT interested in passport application materials. Please limit your response and documents to passport issue cards or copies thereof – as well as any other documents – which the government possesses for Stanley Ann Dunham that refer to her being issued a US passport.
Any FOIA request should NOT ask for more than the passport issuance materials. I cannot stress enough how important it is that the FOIA be strictly limited as suggested above. Such a FOIA should end this conspiracy theory with authority and finality.
I should note that I have come across a certain rabid Obama eligibility supporter who alleges to have done a proper FOIA request as to passport issuance materials. I do not trust this source and I do not have access to the EXACT wording of the alleged FOIA request. Suffice to say that anyone who wants true closure on the place of birth issue should do a FOIA – strictly worded as I have suggested above – requesting passport issuance documents for Stanley Ann Dunham.
I nominate the folks at WND to take this on and make all aspects public since they are the main news resource for this issue. They are invited to take the suggested FOIA request as written above (in red) and to run with it.
The fourth estate has the power and responsibility to see this through. They should thoroughly document the exact wording of the FOIA request, and they should also document the stages of compliance by the government to such a request as is required by law. Definitive documentation regarding whether Stanley Ann Dunham held a passport prior to August 4, 1961 is readily available to the public.
The Government is required to respond to the EXACT request made. No mention of passport application materials should be forwarded by the government in response to a properly worded FOIA request for passport issuance cards (or other issuance documents). We know the cards/documents exist and that they are necessary to the government as is proved by the GAO report and Congressional testimony.
The GAO notes in their report from 1981 that while passport application materials may be destroyed, “passport issue cards” are kept. This is beyond dispute.
If no passport issuance documents can be found for Obama’s mother prior to his date of birth, then he could not have been born in Kenya.
I am not a person who needs to see anymore proof. I believe now and have always believed President Obama was born in Hawaii. But if you still have doubts, this line of inquiry is crucially necessary.
The BC issue and the birther circus surrounding it have served Obama well. Like Chester Arthur before him, the nation was thoroughly distracted by the place of birth faux conspiracy whilst the true legal question concerning his dual national status – despite place of birth – was obscured.
Everyone loves a big green juicy salacious conspiracy theory. That’s much more fun than a certified boring legal question, the answer to which was never in the hands of Obama, whereas the BC always was. He who controls the game, controls the outcome. (“Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?” – Johnny Rotten)
I am writing this to clear your attention spans for what will be the most authoritative and well documented analysis I have to offer on the dual national issue concerning Obama’s perpetual POTUS eligibility dilemma. I do not want the circus to obstruct the law. If you understand the importance of this post, you will pass it on far and wide so the attention of the nation can focus on the true Constitutional crisis.
Leo Donofrio, Esq."
He died suddenly, as the result of an auto-accident apparently. If that visit reported by a member of the family (not named in the article) was in 1983, shortly afterwards, it's my opinion the purpose of that journey, which appears to have been undertaken by Stanley Ann Dunham, zero and Alice Dewey...was to insinuate SAD and zero into the family, and make a claim on the estate for the personal possessions of the kenyan. There might have been letters and documents, records...they would not want to fall into the hands of others. They were apparently unsuccessful. Mark inherited the personal possessions of his father. As for the land, the elder brother, Joseph/Yusuf, with whom the kenyan went to school at Maseno, who was two years older...as the eldest son of Onyango Obama, that would automatically be his by right. It's not difficult to work out the reason for the 1983 journey to kenya IMO.
And “funny” that Zero showed up the year after the Kenyan Obama died; although no doubt the Kenyan would have gone along with the game plan, as a drunk, who knows what he’d say. So they waited until he was gone to make the big pilgrimage.
I read earlier today that Kenya had, and still has, a law recognizing multiple marriages for Muslim Kenyan men.
In other words, if SAD went to Kenya to give birth, her son would be legitimate. Perhaps that also allowed him recognition as a member of the Luo tribe, as well.
Thanks, SatinDoll.
You are most welcome.
That’s correct. Great Britain had an agreement with the Sultan of Zanzibar, the nominal ruler of Kenya’s Coast Province, that it could be included as part of British Kenya as long as Muslims were permitted to follow sharia law.
Which, of course, included multiple wives as a legitimate thing.
But although the institute of marriage has been progressively falling apart in the U.S., multiple wives have never been legal, as was demonstrated by the Mormon controversy in the 19th century. A second marriage is considered bigamous. And of course Obama senior was already married before he married Stanley Ann—if in fact he did, since we have never seen a marriage certificate, only a certificate of divorce.
Ah, I am dense. The personal effects of the Kenyan Obama including sensitive papers hadn’t crossed my mind. Of course!!! So Mark has all those personal papers. I hope Mark watches his back carefully...
Welfare and voting fraud. The Democrats refused to admit Alaska to the Union until the Republicans agreed to admit Hawaii. At the time, Alaska was reliably Republican, and Hawaii was reliably Democrat.
And the Democrats were developing their habit of putting minorities on the welfare plantation, and admitting more immigrants from third-world countries, or countries whose citizens were likely to vote Democrat.
Machine politics has always run rampant in Hawaii. So they liked the idea of pretending that illegal aliens were citizens, even back then.
It's my opinion that the last sentence in that Memo has been added later...the extension could have been granted on the basis of the information that ends with the word KENYA. One observant freeper noted; as both the Memo and the application show the same date, why was the additional information not entered on the application itself?
See the way the name Barack Obama is written? Both are NOT written by the same hand...
Another strange item: Barack senior does not seem to know his wife's name, because he wrote "Ann S. Dunham" when he should have written "Stanley Ann Dunham". That is, why Barack senior would put the "S" for "Stanley" in the middle of his wife's name instead at the beginning is strange to me.
That Ann S Dunham corresponds to the Ann S Obama discovered in the Polk directory:
Not too far fetched to think that Ann S Dunham/Obama might have been the girl at the Nachmannofs, using the surname of Dunham? She's identified here as ANNE/USA:
Also, his address on the form dated Aug. 31, 1961 is different from the address on Obama's long birth certificate that Obama released on April 27, 2011.
yes...
My point is this about the address: Either Barack senior and Obama's mother moved to the address on the form just days after Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961, or Barack senior kept paying on his apartment at his old address while living with Obama's mother at the address on Obama's long form birth certificate, or, worse, Barack senior never lived with Obama's mother as husband and wife, and that is the reason why his address on the form is different from the address on Obama's long form birth certificate that Obama released on April 27, 2011.
It's beyond me...it's also possible that their relationship was being hidden from the girl's parents, isn't it? He was also obtaining funds from the two women attached to the original sponsors, maybe they would not have been so free with funds if they knew he was 'married' ?
http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/its-a-date/
Sharon saw the same index freeper Ladysforest saw.
thanks, of course I noticed that...water off a duck's back!
Anyone have a passport to look and see what that bottom line is?
See p. 51 for what endorsements? And where’s this p. 51? Sort of silly for it to refer to some other set of government regulations when no one has the regs in front of them. It certainly can’t mean p. 51 in the passport or that’d make one heavy read of a book.
Well, okay, but in the 1960s when the federal officials asked the Hawaiian officials about Barack Obama that process wouldn’t have gotten very far yet, so the probability that officials would have lied was far less than it might be at a later date. Things were a lot stricter when we still had the draft and the FBI had teeth and wasn’t afraid to use them and “sanctuary cities” were barely conceivable.
HI is soooo full of bs. Bet they couldn't have cared less who looked at what 3 years ago. Gee, whatever could have happened to have changed their policies....
Perhaps the half brother Malik did grow up with the guy who originally had the name BH0 and may be known now as Roman 0bama.
Thanks, little jeremiah. Is this where the 'substitution' took place? - Complicated...
A passport with extra pages has 52 pages. Mine also says see page 51 for endorsements. A passport without extra pages has less pages, I forget how many. It used to be free to get the extra pages now they charge extra at time of issuance.
To quote the usurper, “The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.”
I think it's because the truth really scares some people...I mean, look what have we here? The possibility that neither the parents nor the place or date of birth of zero are known beyond doubt.
I keep posting Ladyforest's research and he ignores it...
The Archives MAY have a microfilmed copy of the ORIGINAL handwritten marriage index books. As to the certified copy of the marriage cert., you can certainly email HI and ask the steps you would need to take to obtain one.
I tried to obtain a certified divorce cert. for a Honolulu couple who had a kid same day (?) as obama, and they first were really accommodating, explaining it was kept off site, and it would take about ten days to get. Then I sent the names.
Two weeks later, nuthin. Emailed to ask status, a week later, nuthin. I forget how many emails I sent before they finally let me know they had some crap that was basically like the publicly available index data books in that it wasn’t a “full” copy of the original record, certified. It was some sort of “summary”.
I’d have to go back through my stuff. I decided against buying the “summary”.
Just for grins I once called our local vital stats office and asked if I could come in and view an index book. Basically I was told HELL NO! Here you can’t even look at your own entry.
I know...won't do any good, my memory is still working:
A Redacted Computer print-out, allegedly of the Hawaii Birth Index for surnames beginning with "Ob"
THE DOCUMENT THAT POST AND E-MAIL SHOWED ON THEIR WEBSITE.LINK
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