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Recent WND Inquiries Appear To Have Established Obama’s Birth In Hawaii
naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com ^ | 06/09/2011 | Leo Donofrio

Posted on 06/09/2011 1:51:48 PM PDT by rxsid

"Recent WND Inquiries Appear To Have Established Obama’s Birth In Hawaii.

I don’t know how this slipped below my radar, but back on May 9, 2011, World Net Daily published an investigative report entitled, “Bombshell: U.S. government questioned Obama citizenship“, which – in my opinion – conclusively established that Obama was born in Hawaii. In that report, Aaron Klein revealed official documents stored in US immigration files which chronicle the troubles faced by Obama’s mother’s second husband, Lolo Soetoro, when he petitioned the US Government for a visa extension.

The WND report correctly notes that US officials expressed an interest in determining whether Soetoro’s step-son, President Obama, was actually a US citizen. The US officials who were handling Soetoro’s Visa extension application made copious notes in the file and the official comments therein illustrate that these officials doubted some of Soetoro’s statements. So, they decided to investigate the relationships listed in his application.

Below is the text of the relevant portion of the WND report:

One critical exchange is dated August 21, 1967, from Sam Benson, an officer at the Southwest Immigration and Naturalization Service office in San Pedro, Calif.

Benson’s query stated, “There is nothing in the file to document the status of the spouse’s son. Please inquire into his citizenship and residence status and determine whether or not he is the applicant’s child within the meaning of Section 101(b)(1)(B) of the Act, who may suffer exceptional hardship within the meaning of Section 212(a).”

The reference is to the Immigration and Naturalization Act, which defined a “child” as an unmarried person under 21 years of age who, among other qualifiers, could be a “stepchild,” whether or not born out of wedlock, provided the child had not reached the “age of eighteen years at the time the marriage creating the status of stepchild occurred.”

A response to Benson’s inquiry came from one “W.L. Mix” of the central immigration office, who determined Obama was a U.S. citizen.

Mix replied: “Pursuant to inquiry from central office regarding the status of the applicants’ spouse’s child by a former marriage.”

“The person in question is a United States citizen by virtue of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, Aug. 4, 1961. He is living with the applicants’ spouse in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is considered the applicant’s step-child, within the meaning of Sec. 101(b)(1)(B), of the act, by virtue of the marriage of the applicant to the child’s mother on March 5, 1965.”

The files do not state how the office determined Obama was born in Honolulu.

So here we see the US Government looking into an application for Visa extension by Soetoro. Further review of those documents reveal that the officials did not trust everything in Soetoro’s application. Therefore, the Government officials wanted to establish whether Obama Jr. was truly a US citizen. They made a direct inquiry on this very issue. And they concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Again, this was established by “W.L. Mix” of the central immigration office.

Having taken such an exhaustive look into Soetoro’s application, and especially considering the government’s examination of Obama’s citizenship, I don’t see how the government officials involved would have overlooked the fact that Stanley Ann Dunham would have been out of the US and far away in Kenya on the date W.L. Mix established as DOB for Obama – if Obama had been born in Kenya.

Furthermore, a report today by WND, “Documents show marriage of Obama’s parents a sham“, illustrates that a similar investigation as to Obama, Sr. was conducted when he was also applying for a Visa extension. Those official documents include a handwritten memo from the file, written by (presumed) INS official William Wood, which states that Obama Sr.’s son, “Barack Obama II”, was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961.

Moreover, in today’s WND article, Jerome Corsi concludes, as a result of reviewing all of the relevant INS documents, that if President Obama was born in Kenya, Dunham must have traveled there without Obama Sr., who was definitely in the US on August 4, 1961, according to these US Government records. This analysis by Corsi is correct. Obama Sr.’s presence in the US at the time of Obama’s birth is now sufficiently documented. This fact alone adds very heavy weight to President Obama having been born in the US.

I don’t see how two sets of US government officials, independently investigating the relationships between Soetoro and Dunham on one hand, and Obama Sr. and Dunham on the other, could both fail to reveal that Dunham would have been in Kenya at the time of Obama Jr.’s birth. The government officials would’ve had access to Dunham’s passport files. The contents thereof were relevant to the investigations since she was married to both men, and the marriages were relevant to immigration status, as was the issue of children.

Those who persist in accusing Obama of not being born in Hawaii do so in light of official government investigations, between 1961 and 1966, which established his birth, to the satisfaction of inquisitive government immigration officials, as having taken place on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii, USA.

As far as I’m concerned, the issue is settled with a massive presumption of authenticity. I do not see how the information published by WND regarding US immigration official W.L. Mix’s investigation into Obama’s US citizenship flew so far below the radar. That is the single most important fact I have come across that establishes Obama’s birth in Hawaii.

CLOSURE IS POSSIBLE WITH REGARD TO BC ISSUE.

For those who insist on keeping the birther circus alive and kickin’ (despite the info listed above), I believe there is a simple way to settle the issue once and for all. I have found two references to the fact that the US Government keeps passport “issuance” records for all passports issued. The most recent is from Congressional testimony on the House floor from March 10, 1998:

“In addition, the committee on conference is aware that on weekends there is no Departmental procedure or mechanism to access the passport issuance records maintained by the Consular Affairs Bureau. The result is that when a foreign law enforcement authority inquires about the status of a person or passport on the weekend, the State Department does not or cannot respond. This is a clear deficiency in border security procedures.” (See pg. 41/53 in the PDF counter.)

The second reference is to a US Government GAO report – written for the Secretary of State – that argued for the destruction of passport application materials. The destruction of such materials was the basis of more conspiracy theories as to Dunham’s various passport applications and renewals requested in a previous FOIA by Christopher Strunk.

Unfortunately, the FOIA request by Strunk, which has been well documented online, failed to request passport “issuance” records for Stanley Ann Dunham. Strunk only requested passport “application” materials. And the government’s reply to his FOIA request was specifically limited to passport “application” materials. Since Strunk didn’t specifically ask for passport “issuance” records, the government was not obligated to search for those records… but they do exist and they can be found.

The GAO report – which refers to passport issue cards – documents the destruction of passport application materials, but it notes that the Government retains all “old passport issue cards”:

“During numerous discussions with GSA about document retention periods, Department officials have presented many reasons for the continued storage of original passport applications. They have placed great emphasis in pointing out that old passport applications can be used to derive the citizenship of others…But other ways are just as reliable and effective… Should the Department need to verify if a parent was ever issued a passport, old passport issue cards have been microfilmed and can be referenced by the Department.“ (See pg. 44/70 in the PDF counter.)

Therefore, if Stanley Ann Dunham had been issued a passport prior to President Obama’s birth, there will be a passport issue card available with that information. If no such card exists, Dunham did not have a passport prior to August 4, 1961, and Obama could not have been born in Kenya. She would have needed a passport to be in Kenya.

It is my opinion that a proper FOIA request for passport issue cards (or copies thereof) will establish that Stanley Ann Dunham did not have a passport prior to August 4, 1961. Such a request must be SPECIFICALLY designed to eliminate all wiggle room. I suggest the following wording:

Please forward all passport issue cards and/or microfilm or microfiche copies, or any other copies thereof – or any other documents – which reference the issuance of any passport for Stanley Ann Dunham. To be perfectly clear in my FOIA request, please understand that I am NOT interested in passport application materials. Please limit your response and documents to passport issue cards or copies thereof – as well as any other documents – which the government possesses for Stanley Ann Dunham that refer to her being issued a US passport.

Any FOIA request should NOT ask for more than the passport issuance materials. I cannot stress enough how important it is that the FOIA be strictly limited as suggested above. Such a FOIA should end this conspiracy theory with authority and finality.

I should note that I have come across a certain rabid Obama eligibility supporter who alleges to have done a proper FOIA request as to passport issuance materials. I do not trust this source and I do not have access to the EXACT wording of the alleged FOIA request. Suffice to say that anyone who wants true closure on the place of birth issue should do a FOIA – strictly worded as I have suggested above – requesting passport issuance documents for Stanley Ann Dunham.

I nominate the folks at WND to take this on and make all aspects public since they are the main news resource for this issue. They are invited to take the suggested FOIA request as written above (in red) and to run with it.

The fourth estate has the power and responsibility to see this through. They should thoroughly document the exact wording of the FOIA request, and they should also document the stages of compliance by the government to such a request as is required by law. Definitive documentation regarding whether Stanley Ann Dunham held a passport prior to August 4, 1961 is readily available to the public.

The Government is required to respond to the EXACT request made. No mention of passport application materials should be forwarded by the government in response to a properly worded FOIA request for passport issuance cards (or other issuance documents). We know the cards/documents exist and that they are necessary to the government as is proved by the GAO report and Congressional testimony.

The GAO notes in their report from 1981 that while passport application materials may be destroyed, “passport issue cards” are kept. This is beyond dispute.

If no passport issuance documents can be found for Obama’s mother prior to his date of birth, then he could not have been born in Kenya.

I am not a person who needs to see anymore proof. I believe now and have always believed President Obama was born in Hawaii. But if you still have doubts, this line of inquiry is crucially necessary.

The BC issue and the birther circus surrounding it have served Obama well. Like Chester Arthur before him, the nation was thoroughly distracted by the place of birth faux conspiracy whilst the true legal question concerning his dual national status – despite place of birth – was obscured.

Everyone loves a big green juicy salacious conspiracy theory. That’s much more fun than a certified boring legal question, the answer to which was never in the hands of Obama, whereas the BC always was. He who controls the game, controls the outcome. (“Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?” – Johnny Rotten)

I am writing this to clear your attention spans for what will be the most authoritative and well documented analysis I have to offer on the dual national issue concerning Obama’s perpetual POTUS eligibility dilemma. I do not want the circus to obstruct the law. If you understand the importance of this post, you will pass it on far and wide so the attention of the nation can focus on the true Constitutional crisis.

Leo Donofrio, Esq."

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/recent-wnd-inquiries-appear-to-have-established-obamas-birth-in-hawaii/


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; History; Politics
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To: Beckwith
Marriage listing

Now when I was looking at the index, for some reason, I had a senior moment, and I didn’t remember seeing it, but I actually captured an image of the page on which Mr. Obama’s name appears. In regard to the other indexes, I looked at the 1960-65 marriage index by groom and confirmed that Obama Sr. was listed there as a groom and Stanley Ann as the bride to confirm that there was a record that he was married to Stanley Ann.

321 posted on 06/13/2011 6:05:25 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader

What are you sending me this junk for?

When you find an official document, such as a marriage license or a marriage certificate, attesting to a state-sanctioned Obama/Dunham marriage, send me a copy or a link.

These “Index listings” prove nothing.

Only as fool would accept these pieces of crap as evidence of anything.


322 posted on 06/13/2011 7:32:21 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Natufian

Then there is no way we will ever know.

There’s truth serum, but then Corsi says he already has somebody in the HDOH who reported when a forged BC for Obama was entered into the HDOH volume, and the HDOH’s moving the record to a double-locked safe in order to keep HDOH workers from being able to see it strongly substantiates Corsi’s claim. And we’ve got the words of Abercrombie, Mike Evans, Chiyome Fukino, and Brian Adams - Adams’ under oath - which all contradict the document Obama produced.

The problem is that we have a system that won’t allow the criminal actions of both the HDOH and Obama to be tried in court. The system is just as lawless as those criminals. And that is a very, very serious problem.


323 posted on 06/13/2011 7:36:57 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Beckwith

Sharon Rondeau is a highly skilled researcher and the Post and Email is a very reputable source on Birth Certificate issues. If you can’t trust the report of a competent source, you’ve got a serious problem. I mean, it’s not like there are a lot of documents out there that don’t have serious questions as to their provenance.


324 posted on 06/13/2011 7:49:53 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fred Nerks

‘Boys on the block’!!! ... Which boys, and where was this ‘block’? Wow, that sure sounds conspiratorial. Better let that go ...


325 posted on 06/13/2011 7:52:25 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Beckwith

It’s also interesting that the listings include both of Stanley Ann’s marriages and the dates match up to the ones which she used in public records. We have an eyewitness testifying that the marriage listings were accurate in every aspect. It’s hard to believe that the state could be able to forge the records and then put them into a listing on Maui, when the main records are in Honolulu.


326 posted on 06/13/2011 7:53:40 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Beckwith; Fred Nerks

This passport image was at WND with no date and looking around it seems it was placed on the whitehouse.gov website in 2010 but was scrubbed. Correct me if I'm wrong but at the bottom it shows his age as 51 meaning he was born in 1959.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=306501 - "Why is Obama's name different on passport? Doesn't match birth records released with president's authority", dated June 2, 2011.

327 posted on 06/13/2011 7:55:34 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Fractal Trader

Then ask Sharon for her copy of the Obama-Dunham marriage license and marriage certificate, and send me a copy when you get it.

And, you are correct, I have a serious problem, alright, and it’s you people that will accept any piece of crap that comes out of Hawaii other than original, source documents.

Show me the source documents, or don’t waste my time.


328 posted on 06/13/2011 8:00:42 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith
Show me the source documents, or don’t waste my time.

If you can show me a source document from Hawaiian state records on this subject that isn't a pile of crap, let me know. The only (allegedly) valid source document is from the divorce in 1964, and that is missing key documents. However, it does make a claim of a wedding that matches all known criteria, including those verified by Rondeau.

Otherwise, you're alleging that Hawaii created a physical index document that includes both marriages, accurately recorded? If you think that this is a forgery, you are dreaming. And if you can't trust Sharon Rondeau, you might just as well ignore any claim that any individual makes without full copies of source documents. That would be about zero, by my count. Given that I trust Corsi more than you, I would not take such a position.

329 posted on 06/13/2011 8:11:48 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Las Vegas Ron
And then there are the freakin trolls that are consistently allowed to come on these threads, disrupt and create a hostile environment here stirring up suspicion amongst otherwise solid FReepers.

I'm just about at my wits end and ready to say screw it all....I don't care anymore.

Bring on the inevitable so we can get it over with and begin anew.

I would guess that is exactly what the trolls want. My natural response is to do the exact opposite, especially if I can figure out a way to P*ss them off even more. :)

330 posted on 06/13/2011 8:17:49 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Those arguing that diluted loyalty is acceptable need to be disabused of that notion.)
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To: Fractal Trader

You seem to trust a lot.

I don’t.

Show me the source documents.


331 posted on 06/13/2011 8:17:55 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: bgill
More lies and proof of record tampering? They hacked into the computer system to place it in the digital index but that's as far as they got. Or they forgot to follow through with placing it in the marriage volume. And what volume would that be, huh? BTDT, indexes list volume and page number. So, again, where the heck is it? And if it isn't there then...

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that it exists as a digital file, but it does not actually exist in the paper copy of the marriage index from 1961?

332 posted on 06/13/2011 8:25:10 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Those arguing that diluted loyalty is acceptable need to be disabused of that notion.)
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To: Beckwith
Show me the source documents.

Show me ANY source documents. In general, there aren't any, at least any that we are one hundred per cent certain are absolutely accurate.

So if it's a choice between total ignorance and assigning some degree of truthfulness to an eyewitness report, I will take the latter. Your approach creates an untenable position when dealing with subject matter where our knowledge is by definition incomplete and is often contradictory. You can live in your shell if you want, but I'd like to apply a bit of reason and analysis to come up with a hypothesis, especially when so many documents appear to be forged. A search for absolute certainty will end up with an analysis that is magnitudes of order less complete than would be the case with the application of some modicum of intelligence.

The fact that every known document and report gives the same wedding date is an indication that it could possibly be true. The fact that several different documents and reports give the same birth date for Obama jr, would seem to indicate that there is some possibility that it could be the right date. There will be never be complete certainty, but a combination of Occam's Razor and Bayes' Law will get you far.

333 posted on 06/13/2011 8:35:42 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fred Nerks
They have to know...although imagine, Stanley Ann Dunham, Alice Dewey and zero show up in 1983, not long after the kenyan is buried, and tell the family, here we are, the white woman he wrote home to you about, that he married while he was working for an oil company, and the son he wrote and told you about...and Alice Dewey, she’s there for back-up.

And this is about one year after Roman Obama (who had not from you mentioned last night, yet changed his name to "Roman") had gone to Moscow. So the Kenyan relatives know who the real BHO was, and therefore HAD to know that this tall skinny mulatto was not the real BHO. I wonder what offers were presented to them to get them to go along with the fairytale.

334 posted on 06/13/2011 8:49:49 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fred Nerks

The resemblance between Zero and Malcolm X is striking; any resemblance to SAD is imo very casual. They both have large chins but the shape is not similar, their facial structure is quite different. And Zero’s and the Kenyan 0bama are strikingly unlike, of course.


335 posted on 06/13/2011 9:06:13 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fred Nerks

Another very interesting point is that obviously Zero didn’t want to visit his “father” when the Kenyan was still alive since something might have slipped up about who was who and who wasnt’ who. Since the Kenyan was apparently drunk much of the time, one never knows what will come out of a drunk’s mouth.


336 posted on 06/13/2011 9:07:53 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fractal Trader

You realize that you are doing exactly what Team Obama wants you to do — chase ghosts.

I’ve been at this six to eight hours a day since January 2007, and I have learned the game. Saying I live in a shell is insulting and shows you know as much about me as you do Obama.

http://www:TheObamaFile.com


337 posted on 06/13/2011 9:07:53 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith

http://www.TheObamaFile.com


338 posted on 06/13/2011 9:09:34 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: butterdezillion
The system is just as lawless as those criminals. And that is a very, very serious problem.

And there is the entire problem in a nutshell.

339 posted on 06/13/2011 9:14:49 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fractal Trader; Beckwith

Beckwith can and will correct me if I am wrong, but seems to me Beckwith is doubting what Sharon Rondeau saw. IOW he’s doubting the crap issuing from the HI DoH, not Rondeau. Rondeau may have beleived what she saw, the question is whether what she had was emplaced there after the fact. Beckwith just described above how such records can be made so show anything.


340 posted on 06/13/2011 9:18:04 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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