OUT OF ORDER: Obama’s Non-sequential Certificate Number Based On Registration Office Location...

The Daily Pen ^ | Friday, April 29, 2011 | Pen Johannson and Dan Crosby

[Hotlanta Mike]

Contrary to recent implications, new evidence reveals that Barack Obama was not born in Kapi’olani hospital, as records suggest, but, rather, he was merely examined there by a private practitioner, David Sinclair, in the days following his birth, which triggered the validation of an administratively issued “Certificate of Live Birth” registration, not a hospital generated birth certificate representing an actual delivery.

[Texas Fossil]

OK, I have for some time thought it logical she dropped him there, because of the report of showing SAD how to change the newborn. That took place shortly after his birth and the report was from, I think, Seattle.

Now, how can we reconcile that with a presence in HI for the birth exam? Assuming that did in fact take place. Or was it grandma conning a Dr. to sign the appropriate papers. There should be a record of the hospital visit for the exam of the newborn if it happened as stated.

I question if the “exam of the newborn” even took place in the hospital in HI.

What was released yesterday really resolved nothing. Just more lies and deception.

[Fantasywriter]

You ask the kind of questions journalists would ask, if any real ones had access to this Fraudster. I would LOVE to know, for a certain fact, (1) why he wouldn’t release anything of value for so long, (2) why he released yet another COLB yesterday, rather than a LF BC, and (3) exactly what, besides birth weight, is on the BC he ‘found’, and mentioned in Dreams.

I’m an optimist. I think one day we will know, and it will be before Nov ‘12.

[Dilbert San Diego]

Obama told Race Bannon that he was born in Mombassa?

Race Bannon was Dr. Quest’s associate in the cartoon “Jonny Quest”. Is there a real person named Race Bannon? Sorry, I’m not familiar with this story at all.

[antisocial]

I just got this e-mail from a friend:

This morning I was reading an article on Yahoo, that was about the release of Obama’s birth certificate. i then went to the comments section. it was there, a poster stated that the hospital that is listed on the certificate, did not exist in that name until 1978.
Ipassed over it and read another page or two of comments. Then it dawned on me..hey check back on that one and then google the hospital name. When i went back 3 pages to the post, it was gone..looked at many pages, couldn’t find it. Vanished.
So, I took the name, Kapiolani Materinty and Gynecolgical Hospital and googled it. Sure as s-—t, it didnt have that name till 1978. In 1961 it was the Kauikeolani materinty center and hospital.
I went back to the certificate and it has the new name on it. How does a hospital name get on a document, 17 yrs before it existed?

[Tatze]

Nope, not blind. This is not a birth certificate issued by the hospital which does contain the stats. But being a hospital in Hawaii, who in the hell knows.

The hospital probably does have records with all that information, but the State issues the birth certificate, not the hospital.

[Tatze]

It is supposed to be a photocopy of an original document that has been bound and place into the files.

It is. What document are you looking at?

[Ladysforest]

Here is the link Greg.

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/extra-extra-announcing-obamas-birth

I eventually made it through the full two month’s worth of announcements that I had collected, and also the announcements from Jan. 15, 1961 through Feb 29, 1961, and didn’t find that same pattern occurred in that time frame either. It only occurred on the dates that had the obama announcements. While one list was longer than the other, both lists begin with the same name, and both lists ran the names in exact descending order. The pictures that were first posted ( before my “research”) never showed that one paper did have a longer list.

So, although the Star Bulletin does not have a 100% match (it is 43.9%, reason: there were only 25 announcements total in the Honolulu. Adv.) THE HONOLULU ADVERTISER, HAS A 100% MATCH TO THE 8/14/61 STAR BULLETIN, in the same descending order. This is the one and only time this occurred in the two month sample range. Remember that the first obama birth announcement was found in the HONOLULU ADVERTISER. On a few other dates, there is a full match, but not in exact order. And those are not located in the same place within the column of announcements.

[butterdezillion]

He’s a Freeper. His post and the thread where he answered questions about it is at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2397370/posts?page=1

[NeverEVERKerry]

I opened the BC again in Adobe Illustrator to get a good look at the last “1” in the certificate number and noticed something strange.

That digit is perfectly aligned to the top edge of the image/pdf whereas the other digits, “61 1064”, are not. If this is from some automatically incrementing stamp, why would that be?

Because of that finding, I then looked at other parts of the BC and noticed that there were many places where lines and characters are perfectly aligned to the top edge.

It is my understanding that this document was the result of being scanned/copied from a book (curled top left corner but bottom left not curled?) Then copied again onto security paper.

If that is the case, I want one of those copiers because it must have been aligned by someone from NASA. I have never seen a copier/scanner perfectly align anything put onto the glass.

[opentalk]

It's amazing how the media lies, especially when it comes to Democrat politics and presidents. ( look at the mess of John Edwards)

Soros machine is now attacking Trump's sponsors. (CAP).

here is an old link claiming a different Obama Dr.( the original link is scrubbed)

Thread

There is a reason Soros and friends are working behind the scenes to control the Internet.

[masadaman]

Butter, you are one of the most resilient and dedicated patriot-gumshoes on the eligibility issue, so what is your take on this attempt to fill in the blanks? Why would a pregnant girl aged 17 apply to the University of Washington for the Fall 1961 semester when she knew she was due in August, 1961 and was presently a student at the U. of Hawaii? Was it her expectation that she would have an infant and manage to go to a new university without a surrogate nanny, relative and no father present?

She was from Mercer Island until the family moved to Hawaii a few years before. Her girlfriends recall that they saw her with an infant in September 1961 in Mercer Island and she said that she still didn't know how to change a diaper.

So given this latest development of 'examined by but not delivered by', isn't it likely that she planned to have her baby in BC just across the border where she was at a locale for unwed mothers ( avoiding in 1961 the social stigma of a mixed race baby with a single mother among her friends in both Mercer Island and Honolulu)? And more likely, that Barack is days or weeks older than they say so they fly to Honolulu from Seattle (a piece of cake with an infant next to getting there from Mombasa for God's sake) say hello to the family, have Dr. Sinclair examine the baby at the behest of Hawaiian regs to get the proper birth documentation rolling, then fly back to Washington state to start school?

Just a hunch.

[Jeff Winston]

But it does seem that he would have to have been born in the US, since in those days, it would have been difficult to impossible for someone to get from Kenya to the US (especially right after childbirth) in the course of a weekend, if the goal had been to get a foreign birth registered in the US.

Of course one can speculate that he could have been born a few days earlier.

But at this point, without hard evidence, what we have is speculation of what "might" have happened, against official documentation that claims what happened.

And even if hard evidence were to emerge that his mother gave birth to him in Kenya and then brought him back and filed for a US birth certificate, it would be plausible for him to maintain that he knew nothing about it until now, and always believed he was born in Hawaii.

[daisy mae for the usa]

I believe you, Butter, GregNH, and others are on the right track. And I also think that the HDOH has been under the gun and in a tight spot for a while in trying to keep from implicating themselves in fraudulent acts. It is my belief that this is how they accomplished the squirming past legalities with this recent release of BHO’s birth certificate:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2712232/posts?page=49#49

Without the true original records, nothing can be proven conclusively, but it is clear that a fraudulent pattern can be established given enough facts, and that is beginning to happen.

When enough clear information is established, we need to skip media, gov’t officials, courts, public figures, etc., and take it right to the people.

We need to put together a clear, concise email/flyer stating all the provable info, and get as many people as possible to disseminate this as far and wide as is possible in one giant blitz campaign over a short time period.

Networking is the only way to get this info. to people who generally don’t hear. We have to try BHO in the court of public opinion and let WE THE PEOPLE judge for themselves.

[butterdezillion]

The claims about the announcements reflecting the BC# are not substantiated by what’s actually in the microfilms, as you say. A simple case in point: the Nordyke announcement shows up only in the Star-Bulletin, and that was on Aug 16th. They were born at Kapiolani, as were probably most of the kids listed with Obama (supposedly) on the 13th and 14th.

The reference to HRS 338-17.8 being in effect in 1961 is not accurate. If you look at HRS 338-17.8 at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm you can see that it was only passed in 1982 so it wasn’t in effect in 1961.

The idea that Obama’s “date filed” should be the same as the Nordykes’ if they were born at the same hospital is sound.

I don’t have access to the rules that were in effect in 1961 because they were still using the Territorial rules, but if the first state rules put in effect in 1962 were just a continuation of the Territorial rules, then the Territorial rules in effect in 1961 gave people 7 days to register births, and local registrars were required to collect certificates for a week and then submit them all to the state registrar.

From the long-forms I’ve been able to see, Kapiolani Hospital seems to have submitted their BC’s for the week to the local registrar on Fridays (who then submitted them to the state registrar on the same day), so anybody born at Kapiolani on Friday after the BC’s for that week had been delivered would have gone in with the next week’s batch. According to the COLB and BC posted online, Obama was born on Friday evening. If so, his would have gone in the next week’s batch just like the Nordykes’ did. If Obama had been born at Kapiolani his should have arrived to the state HDOH office in the same batch as the Nordykes’ did and he would have had a “date filed” of Aug 11th just like they did.

So him having an Aug 8 “date filed” rather than the Aug 11 date would suggest that he was not born at Kapiolani.

But there’s an even bigger discrepancy. The “date filed” is the date that a number was given at the state HDOH office. Obama’s was supposedly given a number on Aug 8th that was higher/later than the number the Nordykes got 3 days later on Aug 11th. That would not happen in real life, since the numbers were given sequentially in ascending order.

Either Obama’s “date filed”, BC#, or both have been fabricated, and whoever guessed what date and number to try to put together on the forged COLB failed miserably - and of course the forged long-form had to agree with the forged COLB.

The fact that they had to try to guess compatible numbers suggests that they didn’t have a genuine, valid BC to copy the “date filed” and BC# from. IOW, they DON’T HAVE a Hawaii birth certificate for Obama from 1961.

I think this article makes some claims that are not accurate and confuse the issue, although I agree with the statement that Obama was not born at Kapiolani Hospital. There is no way for a BC that is numbered on Aug 8th to be given a higher number than one numbered on Aug 11th, regardless of which local registrar the BC came from. A BC which has that phenomenon is a fabrication, so none of the claims on it can be trusted.

We have no idea when a BC for Obama was filed, and we have no idea what BC#, if any, he has. We can’t know any of that because what has been shown publicly for Obama are forgeries that have an impossible “date filed” and BC# combination.

That’s what we need people to realize.

[Texas Fossil]

Just a hunch.

Or, a Dr. friend of grandma's gives SAD the form he reports on before she goes to have the baby in Canada. When she decides she wants to keep the baby, she mails the partially completed form back to grandma and she takes a simliar baby to the Dr. for the "exam". Or the Dr. simply fakes the exam (no one has reported a record of when SAD was actually in the hospital in HI for an exam. Remember, the actual birth number was assigned by the HI Health Department, not by the hospital or doctor. Gentlemen we are talking about a fraud to allow U.S. citizenship to a child.

[livius]

Rather, weight/height measurements that might be obtained from the realted medical records (physical examination form) would potentially prove the child was older than a newborn at the time of the examination.

Interesting suggestion.

[livius]

The toady judge in Lakin’s case said that release of the birth documents would cause “embarrassment”.

Strange. How could the judge know? But there is nothing in this that lines up with anything.

[livius]

I’m sure he’d say he knew nothing about it...except for the fact that he claims to have found his original birth certificate, the one with the footprint, in a book when he was a teenager.

No matter what else this proves, it shows irrefutably that Obama is a liar. He lies about anything and everything, probably even sometimes when he doesn’t need to do so. But then, we already knew that.

[GregNH]

Either Obama’s “date filed”, BC#, or both have been fabricated, and whoever guessed what date and number to try to put together on the forged COLB failed miserably - and of course the forged long-form had to agree with the forged COLB.

So if a little Virgina was born on Aug 4th at 7:24PM her BC would not reach the registrars office until the 11th, unless she died on the 5th and her birth certificate and death certificate was filed on the 8th.

[GregNH]

Scratch that, that doesn’t work either, his number is higher than the twins....damn I am tired!