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The War Is Over - So Why The Bitterness?
Old Virginia Blog ^ | 10 April 2011 | Richard G. Williams, Jr.

Posted on 04/11/2011 7:51:03 AM PDT by Davy Buck

"The fact that it is acceptable to put a Confederate flag on a car *bumper and to portray Confederates as brave and gallant defenders of states’ rights rather than as traitors and defenders of slavery is a testament to 150 years of history written by the losers." - Ohio State Professer Steven Conn in a recent piece at History News Network (No, I'll not difnigy his bitterness by providing a link)

This sounds like sour grapes to me. Were it not for the "losers" . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: civilwar; confederacy; southern
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1 posted on 04/11/2011 7:51:09 AM PDT by Davy Buck
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The fact that Abraham Lincoln is worshipped as a god and revered for preserving the Union is a sign that history is written by the winners. Truth is, he was a usurper of the Constitution and a war criminal.


2 posted on 04/11/2011 7:55:44 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Davy Buck

They are bitter because we are not defeated. The war may be over, but the hostilities still go on.

And it is the WAR OF NORTHERN AGGRESSION, if you please.


3 posted on 04/11/2011 7:57:02 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: Davy Buck

So we should feel the same of the indians? They fought and lost every war thet fought against the USA. Most indian tribes fought for the British in the American Revolution.


4 posted on 04/11/2011 7:58:22 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Davy Buck
I have ancestors who were in the Union Cavalry, I'm a yankee to bone.

Thats said...

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And if this doesn't send shivers down your spine, nothing will.

5 posted on 04/11/2011 8:00:26 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Davy Buck

I’d pose that we are still bitter because one side decided the other side was wrong, killed enough so they would surrender, starved their families and ruined their homes then said “Let’s forget this ever happened...”.


6 posted on 04/11/2011 8:00:26 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Davy Buck
The question that STILL has not been answered is whether secession by the individual states is illegal or just impractical.

Given the current federal dictatorship, the question recurs...

7 posted on 04/11/2011 8:00:37 AM PDT by jonascord (The Drug War Rapes the Constitution.)
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To: wardaddy

Bump for later read....


8 posted on 04/11/2011 8:01:06 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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Amused bump


9 posted on 04/11/2011 8:04:03 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

10 posted on 04/11/2011 8:06:10 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Arkansas Toothpick
Lincoln is simply the second-greatest president to Washington. ANY other president would have immediately declared all the Southerners to be traitors (they were) and pardoned them afterward. Can you name me one other rebellion where the rebel forces were not labeled traitors? English Civil War? Spanish Civil War? Any of the French revolutions? Any modern war? No you cannot, because the very definition of traitor is one who raises arms against a duly-constituted government.

How many people did ol' Jeff Davis slam in jail? How many civil rights did that tyrant abuse? Oh, we get to forget about him because he was "doin' it for ol' Dixie." Hogwash. If Lincoln had done what he should have done in 1861, the war probably wouldn't have gone on as long as it did. Instead, he tried to "be nice," encourage the South to return, rather than immediately going after the heart of the rebellion, slavery.

11 posted on 04/11/2011 8:06:10 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Celtic Cross

I have at least one ancestor who fought in Custer’s Michigan cavalry (and died with him later at Little Big Horn). I also have ancestors who faught for the South. My great x 5 grandpa owned a plantation in Virginia, but ended up freeing all his slaves becaue he didn’t believe much in slavery. He had 7 sons. When the war came, the five older ones went to war and were killed. The 2 younger ones were sent to live with a relative in another state away from the fighting. When the war was over, the two boys came back and found their house burned to the ground and their parents dead.


12 posted on 04/11/2011 8:07:52 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Jemian
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the south's gonna rise again...


13 posted on 04/11/2011 8:08:56 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Celtic Cross; Davy Buck


14 posted on 04/11/2011 8:11:39 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: stormer

That’s me on the left.


15 posted on 04/11/2011 8:19:04 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Another fallacy is that the war was fought over slavery. In reality, of course, by far the most important issue was states rights. Making slavery the core issue is just a way for the liberals to demonize the Confederates and destroy any respect people might have for them.


16 posted on 04/11/2011 8:19:21 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Davy Buck

The bitterness is more recent. There wasn’t nearly as much bitterness in the immediate aftermath of the War.

If you ask me, the bitterness comes from the South having to endure a constant barrage of abuse from places like Hollywood and the New York elites who still think we’re all nothing but a bunch of gap-toothed racist crackers who use outhouses and bang our sisters on a regular basis. It comes from most of the South STILL having to run every little redistricting change by the Federal government almost fifty years after the Voting Rights Act.

I was born in 1966. I’m too young to remember segregated schools (my Virginia county was one of the last to desegregate in 1967-68). But I’m not too young to remember the race-based busing riots in Northern cities in the 1970s. Funny how they’re not the racists and we are.

But that’s OK. It’s a supreme irony that the South lost the War but, in a way, has won the peace. We are now the place where people want to live. We’re where the growth is. We’ve pulled millions of jobs from the wreckage of the industrial North. We may have never been able to beat the mighty cavalry of Michigan, but 150 years later, where would you rather live—Detroit, or Atlanta?

}:-)4


17 posted on 04/11/2011 8:23:11 AM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: LS
Lincoln is simply the second-greatest president to Washington.

I wonder just how much Washington and his cohort of traitors to the duly-constituted government of King George of 1776 would appreciate the comparison. Perhaps they would just smile at the irony and recall Ben Franklin's remark at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention: "A republic, if you can keep it." Lasted about three generations...the rest has been just a prolonged denouement.

18 posted on 04/11/2011 8:24:31 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Davy Buck
No one can fairly criticize the guts and the personal integrity of the Confederate army, or most of the Confederacy's leaders.

Nevertheless, they were fighting to defend a system under which one man could own another man, do what he pleased with him, and own that man's descendants in perpetuity.

Not a philosophy which would recommend itself to a site titling itself "Free Republic".

19 posted on 04/11/2011 8:27:47 AM PDT by Notary Sojac
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

As a northerner and a Freeper, I’ve had a hard time figuring out why Lincoln is considered “great”

- It was never Lincoln’s intent to free the slaves. Emmancipation simply proved to be a way to swing European support in favor of the North. While a brilliant political move, it was highly hypocritical. Most people regard Lincoln as some sort of crusaider of freedom, but the history doesn’t support this view.

- I am strongly against a strong central government. The centralized government that we’re stuck with now was largely started by Lincoln (FDR brought it to another level).

- Lincoln allowed the war to fester by choosing incompetent military leadership. The North had the resources and manpower to stop the South in a matter of months instead of four years. McClellan, possibly one of the most inept generals in American history, was actually re-assigned to a position that he failed at. He could have made an extrodinary deal to keep Lee as a neutral, rather than a formidable Southern general, as Lee was only interested in fighting for Virginia, not the idea of succession. And as much as the South hates Grant and Sherman, had Lincoln used such generals at the head of the army at the beginning, both the South and the North would have suffered less in the lon run. Many hundred of thousands died because of this lack of leadership.

- Lincoln suspended key parts of the Constitution to suit his needs. He violated both the letter and the spirit of the law. I find this the hardest to swallow.


20 posted on 04/11/2011 8:29:28 AM PDT by kidd
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