Paul Ryan's Budget Is What a REAL Conservative Budget Looks Like [Some Spring Pruning]

ATR ^ | 2011-04-05 | Ryan Ellis

[92nina]

Today, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) released his FY 2012 budget resolution. It is a no-tax-increase budget which stands in stark contrast to the Simpson-Bowles (Obama) commission (and the Coburn-Chambliss “Gang of Six” which is introducing legislation modeled after Simpson-Bowles). The Ryan approach is the conservative one...

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[92nina]

The alternatives are few, but w/ Ryan's budget, unlike Simpson-Bowles plan, the massive tax increases are not there.

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[92nina]

	Gang of Six / Simpson Bowles	Paul Ryan
Ten Year Net Tax Hike	$1-3 Trillion (Depends on Estimates)	$0
Tax Revenue Target	21% of GDP, an unprecedented high	18-19% of GDP (the historic average)
Spending Target	21% of GDP in perpetuity	21% of GDP, falling to 14% of GDP by 2050
National Debt	34% of GDP by 2040	Paid off by 2050.
Obamacare	Retained	Repealed
Top Personal and Corporate Tax Rates	As High as 28%.	No higher than 25%.
Payroll Tax Hike	Yes	No
Gas Tax Hike	Yes	No
Tax Increase Trigger	Yes	No

[Defend Liberty]

The Republican proposal is all smoke and mirrors. If Ryan is serious he would reduce excessive federal spending by eliminating all federal agencies not in compliance with any of the enumerated powers granted to Congress in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution.

There are no enumerated powers to regulate the environment, communications, education, food, drugs, health, agriculture, alcohol, tobacco and firearms. These powers are reserved to the states or to the people per the 10th Amendment. Consequently agencies that are Unconstitutional include but are not limited to the EPA, FCC, Department of Education, FDA, DHHS, Department of Agriculture and the BATFE and must be abolished!

Congress will never balance the budget so long as they continue to have powers beyond those permitted to them in Article 1 Section 8 thereby usurping those powers delegated to the people in the 10th Amendment. Congress must comply with the Constitution in order balance the budget.

[ilgipper]

There is ideal and there is political reality. Right now we have a Dem controlled Senate and a Marxist president. The Paul budget is both economically sound and political well positioned, when we consider where we are right now.

[Defend Liberty]

There is ideal and there is political reality. Right now we have a Dem controlled Senate and a Marxist president. The Paul budget is both economically sound and political well positioned, when we consider where we are right now.

The reality is the founding fathers wrote the Constitution with the threat of death hanging over their heads. They were willing to risk their lives to form a nation based on limited government principles because they experienced what a government with expansive and unchecked powers can do to the people. We've seen over many decades how increasing government interference destroys an economy. Any budget proposal that does not address returning to limited government principles by not eliminating all Unconstitutional federal agencies is neither economically sound or positioned well politically.

[Carley]

It’s what patriotism and leadership is all about.

We have seen none of this from our dear leader.

[ilgipper]

I don’t disagree, but the 2012 budget is a one year budget that is factually going to involve a Democratic Senate and Obama in the White House. This budget is also the single document that is going to lay the groundwork for our side in 2012. If a lowly committee chair in the House goes around eliminating all these departments, we are DOA in 2012. He is eliminating Obamacare, reforming Medicare and Medicaid into private sector centered offerings and reducing spending significantly. Is this the perfect document? No, but it is a significant step forward, and the most significant change in government services at least in 15 years if not since Reagan.

The fact is, the voters want reductions, but hate when it gets into specifics. Our approach has to be targeted to be effective. Here is FL, our governor is doing a great job getting our spending under control and cutting programs that should have never existed. In the process, he is taking a huge beating, and probably will have a challenge in re-election. If our House blows their load in 2011 and 2012 attacking every issue at once, they will get hammered in 2012 elections. There are a lot of critical seats up in the Senate, and all House races will be largely dependent on the Presidential race. If they go for too much too soon with no chance of getting it through the Senate and WH, we will literally blow our load without being able to enact anything, and get wiped out in 18 months.

[SuziQ]

If Ryan is serious he would reduce excessive federal spending by eliminating all federal agencies not in compliance with any of the enumerated powers granted to Congress in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution.

It's taken us 50 years to get where we are, don't you think you should have SOME patience in getting these programs rolled back? If we try to do it all at once, the VOTERS won't stand for it. If we start down the road, and do it incrementally, we'll be more likely to get the cuts and KEEP them, with the help of more of the voters. That way we won't keep whiplashing back and forth between Democrat and Republican control of Congress, and not be able to get ANYTHING done.

[Defend Liberty]

I don’t disagree, but the 2012 budget is a one year budget that is factually going to involve a Democratic Senate and Obama in the White House.

That means one more year the Constitution is violated. The notion we should delay enforcing the Constitution one more year is a slippery slope as it is becomes an open ended proposition. If 2012 why not 2013, 2014 etc...? We are in this mess precisely due to that slippery slope, open ended mentality. It can only end by stopping the violation of the Constitution now.