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Posted on 02/26/2011 2:07:04 PM PST by mbeaven

Baseball vs. Soccer

Last fall I had the great pleasure of helping coach my son’s baseball team. It was something new to me. I didn’t grow-up with baseball and there is no professional or significant college team in my town. That said, I grew in appreciation of

Baseball needs dads.

the baseball: The sound of the crack of the bat when a player got a good hit, the strategy, the feel of a ball when you catch it in your glove. There is a real beauty in the sport.

Practice was in a local park that had a couple of baseball fields but also had a soccer field that we drove past to get to the baseball diamond. After about two months of passing the same people on our way to practice, I made an observation: Soccer practice had a lot of moms. There were at least four lady coaches and sometimes no men at all. This was in stark contract to our baseball practices. Yeah, moms were there, but they were behind the fence, cheering on their sons or gossiping, sometimes looking after younger kids. On the baseball field were half a dozen men along with their sons, teaching the fundamentals of the game.

Soccer attracts the single mom types and kids with dads that are missing in action.

The early 1990′s popularized the term “soccer mom”. At the same time, baseball popularity declined. I couldn’t help but wonder if there was some sort of relation between the two and single-parent households.

With baseball, it is almost always the dads who go out in the yard to play catch, strengthening the bond between father and son. Men coach, rarely women do. Plus the strategy and rules are significantly more complicated in baseball than soccer. It seems that baseball needs dads. The sport was built for them.

Does soccer attract moms and kids where dad is out of the picture? No dad to toss around the ball with? You can kick the soccer ball around the yard by yourself. Barely paying rent on

Baseball's sanctuary is seperated by the iconostasis of the sports world, behind which dads train boys how to be men using baseball as their means.

mom’s income? Soccer equipment is significantly cheaper. Not too competent at sports? It doesn’t take much experience to tell a kid to kick a ball. How to throw a curve ball, now that is a different story.

Compare the fields. Soccer is an open field with parents on lawn chairs right along the sideline. It is almost leisurely, relaxed. Baseball, the neophytes are separated by a fence, the iconostasis of the sports world. Through it is where dads teach their sons to be men.

I’m sure soccer is a perfectly fine sport. Most of the world plays it, but in America, it just seems that soccer has a strong affinity with moms entering the sphere of dad, often because dad is not there.

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To: mbeaven

Baseball is America.


21 posted on 02/26/2011 5:08:45 PM PST by Jacquerie
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To: mbeaven
If you want to talk about the inherent dysfunction of various sports I've seen more loser "baseball dads" trying to live vicariously through their kids than "soccer moms".

Broad brushes can easily sweep in both directions.

22 posted on 02/26/2011 5:12:37 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Leo Carpathian
Although I am a soccer fan and have a kid that plays I will be the first to admit that soccer is not the safest of sports. At the level my kid plays now every kid on the field knows how to take an opponent down. It is not unusual for a kid to be“red carded” as in kicked out, of a game for flagrant rule violations.
In one particular nasty game this year there were two broken legs, a broken jaw, and a broken arm. The center ref, a good friend, finally stopped the game to talk to the coaches and players from both teams.
It was a couple of cheap shots from the other team that caused one of our players to sustain a badly broken leg that started it but that really didn't matter. It turned into an all out war and our kids ended up just as guilty. Except for the first broken leg all of the other injuries were incurred by the opposing team. I went down and told our coach to bench my son because of the way he was playing. He was up to his eyeballs in the mess. Our coach lectured them and ran them 5 miles a day for a week instead of practicing. There is a tremendous amount of passion on a soccer field. The parents on the sidelines can actually be worse than little league parents and that is saying something.
23 posted on 02/26/2011 5:18:02 PM PST by oldenuff2no (Rangers lead the way...... Delta, the original European home land security)
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To: mbeaven

24 posted on 02/26/2011 5:35:29 PM PST by TheOldLady
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To: mbeaven
Baseball - lots of standing around. Low activity unless you get laps to do for training. Average mileage, maybe 1-2 miles a day, if that.
Soccer - lots of activity. Lots of skill set practice. Average mileage, 3-5 miles a day, probably more.

Point is, soccer is just more fun.

Coach of 45 years. College, all other levels, ODP, international. Not bragging, just fact.

25 posted on 02/26/2011 5:55:15 PM PST by AGreatPer (Voting for the crazy conservative gave us Ronald Reagan....Ann Coulter)
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To: mbeaven
it just seems that soccer has a strong affinity with moms entering the sphere of dad, often because dad is not there.

You never once supported this assertion. Back it up with statistical data, not anecdotal data points based on your experience.

Real men get involved in their sons and daughters' activities whether it's baseball, soccer, hunting, fishing, or non-sports related events.

26 posted on 02/26/2011 6:06:49 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Textide

You really are emotional arent you? The rise of interest in Soccer Coincides with the Rise Of Political Correctness,and The Feminization Of America. Baseball Is American Soccer is NOT Period. The era of we are Not going to Keep score the poor little darlings Might Get Upset and Everyone Must Play the same amount of time and all that Gobblede gook.Anyone at the young age can run around in a Mob and Kick the Ball,all the same,in Baseball even at a Young age you have to be able to Hit a Thrown ball,field it and throw it,now that leads to a Whole lot of frustration for the Harried soccer mom when little Darling Makes an error,Strikes out or Drops the Ball let alone the unmitigated terror of losing the Game. Baseball is American Get Over it


27 posted on 02/26/2011 6:31:36 PM PST by ballplayer
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To: stainlessbanner
Both real men, and real women, mothers and fathers, should be on the field of play with their kids whatever the chosen sports are.
28 posted on 02/26/2011 6:41:37 PM PST by oldenuff2no (Rangers lead the way...... Delta, the original European home land security)
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To: bwc2221

could be

around here (cent Indiana) it seems to be rugby

from non-existent to widespread in 10 yrs

although we don’t have spring football like the south, so rugby kind of takes the place of that


29 posted on 02/26/2011 6:51:18 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: heye2monn

But it does have 9 innings of 1 to 0 games.....


30 posted on 02/26/2011 6:52:28 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: mbeaven
The inventor (so I am told) of baseball.


31 posted on 02/26/2011 6:56:48 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: mbeaven
The inventors (so I am told) of futbol!
32 posted on 02/26/2011 7:00:27 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: MalPearce

My son just started playing rugby. He was a defensive end and punter in HS selected to the region AAAA football team. He was also a soccer player up until age 14 and today earns money as a Center Ref. I’m a huge fan of the beautiful game and it kind of rubbed off, I think. I’d frequently take him to see Clint Dempsey play college soccer.

He loves Rugby. L O V E S it. It seems to combine the teammate aspect of football (there are no Ravanelli’s playing anything really competitive in the US), the continual flow of soccer along with his best skills, running fast, agility and hitting people.

I doubt it will ever catch on at all. This area is a bit odd as there is a lot of youth soccer and a lot of hard core football. It’ usually one or the other. Few places in the US are like that.

I don’t know the original poster but his post is completely off. I don’t remember any women coaching boys soccer teams. Baseball is a good social game in the south because you can play it in the heat and not break much of a sweat.


33 posted on 02/26/2011 8:49:10 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: oldenuff2no

My son was also on state champion youth soccer teams. When he started playing football, in a week he left the lineman’s conditioning practice and join the receivers’ and defensive backs’ practice because he wasn’t getting enough with the fatties.


34 posted on 02/26/2011 8:52:58 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: oldenuff2no

My son broke two kids legs playing soccer and none playing football.


35 posted on 02/26/2011 8:54:55 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: bwc2221

“If you are not playing or have a kid on the field, soccer becomes real boring real fast.”

As a youth soccer coach - I’ll second that!


36 posted on 02/26/2011 8:54:55 PM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: mbeaven
My son plays both soccer and baseball, not once on any level did he have a female coach in soccer.We have guys with English accents coach who pretend they are pros from the UK. I asked one 21 year old poser, if he was a pro player what was he doing in the US coaching 9 year olds in the middle of the European season. In baseball I had a female asst. coach once. I played Div I college baseball so I coached my son every year. Unfortunately 90% or more of the dads think they know baseball but don't. The best asst coach I had was one of the players moms who played Div III college softball. She never felt confident enough to continue even thou she was more competent to coach than most of the dads.
37 posted on 02/26/2011 10:37:44 PM PST by gusty
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To: Osage Orange

Yes, on a few occasions, baseball will have 1-0 games. But much more rarely than the zero games in soccer — baseball is usually much more high-scoring. Soccer does have shoot-outs for tie games, but only after long, interminable waits.

Even in the low-scoring baseball games, you will almost always have some hits, and you can track the personal accomplishments or ignominious failures of each player as he goes from inning to inning. As he smiles, slaps hands with his comrades, and gets cheers after doing something for his team — even when merely getting a single or walk.

In soccer, no individual stands out unless he scores a goal (hardly ever). The game is like a slow wave of water monotonously sloshing back and forth in a bath tub. Rarely is the tedium broken.


38 posted on 02/27/2011 4:51:58 AM PST by heye2monn
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To: Mr. Mojo

It tells us all too much. :-)


39 posted on 02/27/2011 4:54:30 AM PST by heye2monn
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To: Mr. Mojo

Doing that with my son is one of the truly great memories of my life.


40 posted on 02/27/2011 5:01:35 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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