Posted on 02/02/2011 4:01:00 PM PST by Slyscribe
As expected, all 47 Senate Republicans voted Wednesday to repeal the sweeping health law, but no Democratic members joined them, leaving the GOP well short of the 60 needed to pass. But the bill, which easily cleared the GOP-led House last month, forced vulnerable Senate Dems to once again back the controversial legislation.
Meanwhile, the Senate voted 81-17 to roll back the much-hated “1099” tax-reporting requirement. The obscure ObamaCare provision would have required companies, starting in 2012, to file a 1099 tax form every time they make cumulative purchases of $600 or more from any business.
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Technical question:
If there is no severability clause and part of the bill is repealed, does that nullify the entire bill?
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It isn't a "donkey"...never was.
There's nothing number'n a dead voter.
They'll vote RAT every single time.
Well stated, FRiend.
Well, which is it? Either the founders were right in 1789 and we should never, EVER never ever mess with their original "vision" or it will "destroy our Republic", or the founders WEREN'T perfect and it was necessary to amend the constitution and change their "original" plans at a later date. Make up your mind.
>> The 17th Amendment has helped destroy federalism. <<
No, crooked state legislatures have helped destroy federalism. When the founding fathers wrote the constitution, they certainly never envisioned that gerrymandered state politicians in office for life would be making the appointments. The 17th amendment has helped undo much of that damage by going around them and allowing voters to elect Senators who wouldn't have a snowball's chance of hell of getting there otherwise.
>> Some big name Conservatives that agree with me: Glenn Beck, Tony Blankley, Joe Miller... <<
Heh. Rather ironic Joe Miller is with you on that one, seeing as the individual GOP voters he doesn't think should be making the choice picked him to be Senator, whereas the "enlightened" Alaska legislature was full of crooked RINOs who were all in the tank for Murkowski (who got the job thanks to her daddy running state government at the time and appointing his little gal). Ditto with Alan Keyes or Rand Paul. They'd defeat their own goals if they got their wish. Good luck trying to get another tea party maverick in the Senate when a bunch of "don't rock the boat" party establishment hacks are choosing the Senator.
>> but the 16th and 17th have landed us in the situation we find ourselves in now. <<
Another irony, you guys all act like the evilllllllllll popularity elected Senate is responsible for the income tax, but since the 16th amendment came first, it was your "federalist" approved state goverment-appointed Senate that gave us the income tax.
>> Let’s be honest: There’s a better chance of Keith Olbermann becoming an actual journalist than there is of seeing the 17th Amendment being repealed. It’s not going to happen any time soon. <<
That's true. I suppose I breath easy knowing you guys are as likely to get your way as Dennis Kucinich is likely to get a "U.S. Dept. of Peace" established a cabinet post anytime soon. But as Impy noted, I almost wish you'd get your way, so you could your theory that a Senate selected by big government hacks would be superior to the one we have now. It certainly wasn't prior to the 17th in the early 1900s, and it certainly wouldn't be today.
Good. We need more democracy in America, not less. I would like to continue to go that direction and empower citizens more. If it was up to me, I'd pass another amendment and change what the "founders" wrote by giving voters the power to approve all Supreme Court picks. Since you guys are so fond of constantly talking up state governments, I can tell you that we have an elected Supreme Court in my home state and is infinitely better than one we would have if our crooked Governors got to appoint whoever they wanted for life (as is currently the case on the federal level). When some activist liberal RAT judge kept going to bat for criminals, we tossed his butt out on the next ballot and replaced him with a staunch conservative justice on the state supreme court. Imagine if Ruth Bader Ginsberg had to be confirmed by the voters.
>>> took away its role as a representative of States. <<
Wrong. U.S. Senators represent vastly different interests than U.S. Congressmen, owning to the fact they are elected by the entire state as a whole rather than a narrow region of the state that represents a particular interest. For example, my Congressional district always elects radical black Congressmen, whereas my state as a whole elected a conservative Reagan Republican as Senator in the 90s. Do you really think they're serving the same interests? Michigan has a majority of Republican congressmen in the house, whereas in the Senate it sends two liberal Dems to represent them. Might these two bodies be appealing to different constituencies despite being from the same state, hmmm?
>> But neither it nor the 19th amendment will ever be repealed and the latter is socialism’s greatest friend. <<
You don't think women should be "allowed" to vote either? Why? Because Republicans would benefit? By any chance would you like to repeal the 15th amendment too and decide whether a person is qualified to vote based on their skin color? You're as bad as those on the left who want to reward "marriage" rights to a certain type of "alternate" lifestyle and want to decide "hate crimes" to apply only to a certain type of people. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others", as George Orwell wrote.
***** “ I’ll stand with you. They better never darken my doorstep. Just sayin.” *****
For me it isn’t a choice ... I Can’t Change ... 28 years in Uniform and now I’m supposed to be (or thought I would be) Free and I could just retire to do the things I want to do ...
I felt more Free in the Military than I do now, there are so many more Regulations, Laws, and layers upon layers of those that are charged to Enforce those Laws many many many more than in the Military. I really get depressed when I think of the Country I knew back in the 70’s when I joined and the Country that I now live in. I almost feel like I wasted my life, we are heading right into what I thought we defeated.
TT
***** “Let’s be honest: There’s a better chance of Keith Olbermann becoming an actual journalist than there is of seeing the 17th Amendment being repealed. It’s not going to happen any time soon.” *****
If this Regime ignores the Courts Decisions and continues with 0care ... there will be a Constitutional Convention II and with the populace being only slightly more enlightened than Snooky we could still do away with the 16th and 17th Amendments... the 16th because State Governors have been Bitch-slapped for the last 2 years, they want the option to FIRE Senators and replace them (and they should have that power) and the 17th because the “Income Tax” is just flat out DUMB...
TT
I’m afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree. Unlike the Commie Left, we are not monolithic. As long as you’re a Conservative, you’re a-ok in my book. —Alan
And he’s going to pay. Joe Manchin is up for reelection in ‘12. (He was elected to finish Kleagle Byrd’s term.) Remarkably, Chairman Obama is not popular in West Virginia.
They are a separate issue. Congress has to appropriate the funds to pay them, and appropriations start in the House.
They may be essential to enforcing the law of the land, but there is absolutely no reason they need to be paid!
Bill Nelson FL. voted against the state of Fl.
I also e-mailed. But mine was directed to...whoever reads this. I told them to save money because they will be unemployed in 2012.
Ditto Wisconsin for Herb Kohl.
I hope we can knock him off in 2012.
Thanks. In this world there aren’t any simple and rarely any quick solutions.
Even if we repeal Obamacare we still have a health care market dominated by Medicare and unfunded mandates at the Federal and state levels.
Reversing Obamacare is only step one in a long process. That’s why I argue it’s more important that we create decade long political incentives to vote nominally Republican, hold Congress for a generation or more and create a conservative agenda going forward.
It will be a long, slow march back to the Constitutional bounds with a myriad of groups, from the poor to the billionaire political entrepreneurs, resisting screaming all the way.
Free money is a siren song not easily resisted, despite the consequences.
Yes, I thought about that when I wrote the post. Frankly I’ve never understood the McCain-Feingold decision. I read it a number of times and cannot grasp the Court’s language. But, then, I’m not a lawyer.
That said, it seems to me the issue(s) with Onadacare are a lot more straight forward. At the same time the impact of Onadacare on America is so colossal I find it difficult to believe the USSC will do anything but uphold the lower court’s unconstitutional ruling.
Yeah that’s funny. I wonder what Miller would think after the legislature overwhelmingly chose Princess Lisa.
And Rand Paul? Pretty certain that the GOPs in the State Leg would want Trey Grayson not him. Oh but of course the RATs have the KY house and would have installed one of their own.
And what about the severability clause...which was missing. I actually think they “broke” it...and they actually downed the whole thing with the 1099 vote.
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