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Mad money: Why the rich are angry, and why you should worry about it
New York Daily News ^ | 09/27/2010 | Ira Stoll

Posted on 09/27/2010 7:52:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The other day, in response to a hedge fund manager who asked him when he would stop whacking Wall Street like a piñata, President Obama said, "If you are making $1 billion a year after a very bad financial crisis where 8 million people lost their jobs and small businesses can't get loans, then I think that you shouldn't be feeling put upon."

The same day, the New York Times published a column by Nobel laureate economist Paul Krugman under the headline "The Angry Rich and Taxes," referring to what Krugman called "belligerent sense of entitlement" among "high-income Americans, the world's luckiest people."

Let me try to explain why the "rich" are angry, or feeling put upon, and what that means for the rest of us. First, and related, a few words about where I am coming from. I'm not rich using Obama's definition of making $1 billion a year, but I know people who are. Nor am I rich using Obama's definition of the top 2%/3% of the American population - the group he wants to raise taxes on, households earning more than $250,000 a year. I've had a year when I met that definition, but I've also had years, including this past one, when I was not even close.

Labeling as "rich" individuals whose income may vary widely over time, and even from one year to the next, is one of the things that gets the "rich" angry. One commenter on the FutureOfCapitalism Web site I edit, Mary L. of Houston, Tex., put it this way: "We weren't born with a silver spoon in our mouths. We have lived like so many people; buying macaroni and cheese at 4 boxes for $1.00 and then splitting it each night with our next door neighbor - for 2 years!

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1 posted on 09/27/2010 7:53:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Do I hear a mixture of Cuban and North Korean music playing in the background?
O well, I always liked the sound of: “O Canada”


2 posted on 09/27/2010 7:57:52 AM PDT by BilLies (no)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Rich” is any person with a job who isn’t a slave of the commie vermin.


3 posted on 09/27/2010 8:00:58 AM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: SeekAndFind

Good article. Elaborates on the idea of “From those according to their ability, to those according to their need.”
I still can’t figure on how the marxists settled on this figure of $250,000 yearly income as the boundry of rich.
clinton used that number. Algore made the claim that if a person made 250K each year for 4 years running, then they were a millionaire. The dims in power, no matter who and their media have set this number in stone. A person living in east or west coast cities making 250K lives a much reduced lifestyle than someone in Lufkin, Texas. So why the 250 number? Any ideas?


4 posted on 09/27/2010 8:10:21 AM PDT by Texas resident (Outlaw fisherman)
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To: Texas resident
A person living in east or west coast cities making 250K lives a much reduced lifestyle than someone in Lufkin, Texas. So why the 250 number? Any ideas?

They probably ran their statistics and decided that 250K+ people make up a sufficiently small percentage of the electorate that the Dem core supporters mostly won't care.

5 posted on 09/27/2010 8:17:04 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Texas resident
So why the 250 number? Any ideas?It is a simple number to remember. We live in a time if sound-bite politics. The simpler the message, the more effective it is. And it is a number large enough that most people will never make that much in a year.
6 posted on 09/27/2010 8:17:41 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: SeekAndFind

This MF has the nerve to get down on anyone who’s wealthy, when he takes his wife on a $150,000 date at tax payer expense. When his wife goes to Spain spending over $500,000, a large part which was tax payer expense. What does he understand about footing a bill when he sucks off the Government Teat, only in a much larger way than the poor. When will someone with cojones tell him straight to his face what a GD POS hypocrite he is?


7 posted on 09/27/2010 8:23:04 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: SeekAndFind; onyx; Fishtalk; maggief; Liz; penelopesire; exit82; Lauren BaRecall
Wonder how many people this would apply to in states like Delaware,Nevada or NY? Enough to make a difference in the donations, in the voter turn out, in the final count?

Might make good advertisement material.

8 posted on 09/27/2010 8:47:45 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"high-income Americans, the world's luckiest people."

I suppose I would be in the cross-hairs of the Democrats to squeeze more taxes out of me. BUT what I have earned has nothing to do with luck. Yes, I took some calculated risks but the bottom line is that my wife and I worked our butts off to have what we have and get where we are. In 1979 we had $4, 2 old cars, a goal and a plan. We both worked regular jobs and worked nights to build a our own business. It was not luck but gut busting hard work. Little did I know, is that all along I had a partner looking over my shoulder that has now decided he wants his cut. Angry? You betcha'.

9 posted on 09/27/2010 9:13:42 AM PDT by super7man
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To: Texas resident
why the 250 number? Any ideas?

It generally started out as "the richest 1% of all Americans" or "the richest 2% of all Americans". Later on, they put actual numbers to the percentages.

If I recall correctly, Clinton used to harp on individuals making more than $80,000 per year, but now when they do the class envy thing they almost always do it by couple. So a couple making $250,000 per year is probably in the top 1% or top 2% or something. I think Clinton used to harp on couples making $200,000 per year.

Of course, it's all pre-tax income, so the idea that if you make $250,000 for 4 years you're a millionaire is absurd. It's like when the news reports that someone won $1 million in the lottery. But then you see them holding a check for $300,000. That's all the cash they're going to get. But they "won $1 million".
10 posted on 09/27/2010 9:15:22 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Worst. Post-Racial President. EVER.)
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To: Texas resident
I still can’t figure on how the marxists settled on this figure of $250,000 yearly income as the boundry of rich.

Federal employee compensation is the answer.

If you have one Senior Executive Service (SES) spouse, and one high-ranking General Schedule (GS) spouse you nudge right up to that $250,000 yearly income number.

Obama's protecting the wealthy federal employee, that is overwhelmingly a dhimmicrat.

11 posted on 09/27/2010 9:38:50 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: PapaBear3625
They probably ran their statistics and decided that 250K+ people make up a sufficiently small percentage of the electorate that the Dem core supporters mostly won't care.

Bingo! The over $250K part of the population is less than the percentage error in a political poll. They don't matter in terms of raw votes on election day. They do matter with respect to employing the actual tax payers in the 50% of the population that does pay taxes. The number of actual tax payers will drop further as punitive tax rates force layoffs to keep budgets in the black.

12 posted on 09/27/2010 9:56:49 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

We should not allow the left to hijack the English language and then use neutral terms as if they are now pejoratives.

When they cast aspersions at the “rich”, we should counter by correcting them by using the more descriptive term — “EMPLOYERS”.

See how that would resonate in an age when jobs are scarce.


13 posted on 09/27/2010 10:07:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
When they cast aspersions at the “rich”, we should counter by correcting them by using the more descriptive term — “EMPLOYERS”.

When they cast aspersions on either, we should counter that without either there could be no economy and that we don't go for class warfare.

14 posted on 09/27/2010 10:14:28 AM PDT by Chunga (The Democratic Party Is A Criminal Enterprise)
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To: SeekAndFind

President Obama said, “If you are PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DURING a very bad financial crisis where 8 million people lost their jobs and small businesses can’t get loans, then I think that you shouldn’t be feeling put upon.”

Hope he remembers it in 2012.


15 posted on 09/27/2010 10:21:40 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: SeekAndFind

“...high-income Americans, the world’s luckiest people.”

Sounds more like lottery winners to me.

Let’s fix that:

“...high income Americans, the world’s most productive people.”


16 posted on 09/27/2010 10:22:25 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Or on “Flip This House” when they don’t count realtor commission or sales expenses in flip profits.


17 posted on 09/27/2010 10:24:04 AM PDT by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have often wondered if Dems hope to strip the “rich” Americans leaving overseas of their citizenship if they don’t pay 100% of their taxes to the IRS.


18 posted on 09/27/2010 11:04:35 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Texas resident

That’s why the Bolsheviks just solved that little problem by killing the rich.


19 posted on 09/27/2010 11:06:43 AM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers - AL West Champions)
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To: Soothesayer9

RE: strip the “rich” Americans leaving overseas of their citizenship


I’d like to see them try. MANY COUNTRIES would be willing to welcome them as permanent residents.

Australia and New Zealand are just two of them. Both these countries by the way, have unemployment rates much less than 7% ( Australia has close to full employment at this time ).

And if that happens, let’s just see how much more tax revenues the USA is going to get...


20 posted on 09/27/2010 11:12:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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