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The General and the Constitution
American Spectator ^ | 09/08/10 | Ben Stein

Posted on 09/08/2010 11:34:07 AM PDT by American Dream 246

What is it with General David Petraeus, head of U.S. forces in Afghanistan? Has he not heard of the Constitution? Let me explain what I mean. Now we are at the nine-year anniversary of the horrible 9/11 terrorism that killed over 3,000 Americans. Various people are marking the event's anniversary in various ways. One of the kookier ways is that a small church in Gainesville, Florida is hosting -- or is planning to host -- a burning of the Islamic Holy Book, the Koran. The burning, a nutty idea, is to protest the church's views of Islam as intolerant.This is a tiny little church and it will be a small event. But however small an event it is, it's peaceful, does not involve violence, and should be fully protected by the Constitution. Of course, as one might expect, some Muslims are infuriated by this plan and I don't blame them. It's infuriating. But it's still protected by the Constitution as an exercise of religious freedom.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Business/Economy; Government; Local News; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: constitution; freespeech; groundzeromosque; intolerance; islam; koran; muslims; obama; petreus; september11; terrorism; waronterror
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1 posted on 09/08/2010 11:34:09 AM PDT by American Dream 246
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To: American Dream 246

Please keep in mind that General David Petraeus is under the command of the White House.

I have no doubt that his statement was made under a certain degree of duress.

As such, I took it for what it really is. Nothing more.


2 posted on 09/08/2010 11:38:36 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November from my house.)
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To: American Dream 246

Petraeus has forgotten his oath.

He has sworn loyalty to Obama.

Damned shame. I used to think highly of the man.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/05/08/2010-05-08_new_obama_book_by_newsweek_senior_editor_jonathan_alter_airs_private_flares_of_t.html


3 posted on 09/08/2010 11:39:10 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: American Dream 246

You have unwittingly addressed one of the major problems of our day.

Certainly, it’s constitutionally legal. So is picking your nose on national TV.

Both are stupid. It’s not the legality of the act, it’s the stupidity of the act to which Dave Petraeus objects.


4 posted on 09/08/2010 11:40:24 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR, since 1998.)
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To: American Dream 246
Ben Stein takes a break from defending our side from those who say any criticism of the 9-11 mosque means we are not respecting the Constitution, to say that General Petraus is not respecting the Constitution for his criticism.

Come on Stein!

The General’s comment was that this publicity stunt put US troops at risk.

You either agree, or disagree, or think he shouldn't have said it.

Nowhere did the General suggest that these nutzo Phelps supporting lunatics didn't have the RIGHT to do it!

5 posted on 09/08/2010 11:43:30 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: American Dream 246
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6 posted on 09/08/2010 11:44:41 AM PDT by xuberalles ("The Right Stuff" Conservative Novelties http://www.zazzle.com/xuberalles)
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To: American Dream 246
The good General is a soldier following the orders of his commander in chief. No one should spend a second condemning or castigating him.

You can bet that if muslims were burning piles of Bibles, he would be giving us the old "Free Speech is what we're fighting for" line.

7 posted on 09/08/2010 11:45:11 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Beckwith

Time for your nap.


8 posted on 09/08/2010 11:45:39 AM PDT by verity
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To: MindBender26

You are correct and I would add building a Mosque at ground zero to that list.


9 posted on 09/08/2010 11:47:15 AM PDT by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: Deb
"The good General is a soldier following the orders of his commander in chief. No one should spend a second condemning or castigating him."

He's following the orders of a usurper. Petraus has failed to uphold his sworn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

10 posted on 09/08/2010 11:49:52 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: verity

Very clever. Did you think that up by yourself?

Your less-than-clever remarks don’t change Alter’s allegation.

In an Oval Office showdown, Obama told Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Gen. David Petraeus that he was “exceedingly unhappy” with the Pentagon’s conduct, Alter reported, adding that its leaks to the press were “disrespectful of the process.”

“This was a cold and bracing meeting,” an attendee said of the encounter, where Obama demanded to know “here and now” if the Pentagon would be onboard with any presidential strategy.

It apparently worked: Petraeus later described himself as “chagrined,” and both he and Gates “swore loyalty” to the President. Obama eventually supported a troop buildup.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/05/08/2010-05-08_new_obama_book_by_newsweek_senior_editor_jonathan_alter_airs_private_flares_of_t.html#ixzz0yxszTGlh


11 posted on 09/08/2010 11:50:30 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Godebert

Blah, blah, blah.


12 posted on 09/08/2010 11:51:33 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Beckwith
"...Alter’s allegation..."

Irrefutable.....:-)

13 posted on 09/08/2010 11:58:22 AM PDT by verity
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To: Deb
"Blah, blah, blah."

Spoken like a true Obot.

14 posted on 09/08/2010 11:59:29 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Beckwith
"He has sworn loyalty to Obama." That is probably the most stupid statement I have ever seen posted on FR. You obviously know nothing about Dave Petraeus.
15 posted on 09/08/2010 11:59:50 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR, since 1998.)
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To: Beckwith

“and both he and Gates “swore loyalty” to the President.”

Then THAT is where the general screwed the pooch.
He swears loyalty to the CONSTITUTION, to protect & defend it from ALL enemies, foreign & DOMESTIC, not some man.


16 posted on 09/08/2010 12:00:13 PM PDT by rickb308 (Muslims need to check with Native Americans & ask how that whole cowboys & indians thing worked out.)
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To: John.Galt2012

Theirs is far from a stupid act. It is a very smart act... and a legal one on their part.... to rub our noses in shit.


17 posted on 09/08/2010 12:01:53 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR, since 1998.)
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To: Howie66
Please keep in mind that General David Petraeus is under the command of the White House.

Doesn't fly. I've read the officer oath and it says nothing about swearing fealty to a President, but it says a LOT about DEFENDING the Constitution.

In my view Petraeus has thrown his oath out the window showing the country he only cares about his 'career', not the country. With this action trampling on the 1st amendment rights of American citizens he is committing borderline treason.

I now view him exactly as I view Benedict Arnold. (Along with all the rest of the military brass who are refusing to defend the constitution). Traitors the whole lot of them.

18 posted on 09/08/2010 12:02:08 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: MindBender26; verity

Don’t get pissed at me — write a letter to Jonathan Alter.


19 posted on 09/08/2010 12:03:52 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Deb
You can bet that if muslims were burning piles of Bibles, he would be giving us the old "Free Speech is what we're fighting for" line.

You've forgotten that it was Petraeus who gave the order to burn confiscated bibles from US Troops in Afganistan. Basically according to military brass its okay to burn BIBLES, just not korans.

This isn't about US Troops potentially going into harms way. This is about offending Muslems - PERIOD.

20 posted on 09/08/2010 12:04:59 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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