Posted on 08/01/2010 8:57:49 PM PDT by geraldmcg
Finally when it appeared that the truth was going to come out once and for all about Obama's mysterious birth, the State Department wiggles out of producing records of Obama's mama's by saying that some circa '60's documents were destroyed, and that the records of Obama's mama, Stanley Ann Dunham, were missing.
This let down was the apparent end of a trail from a Freedom of Information Act request for those documents.
But the some documents provided from teh Freedom of Information Request, included two different locations and dates for STanley Ann Dunham's marriage to Lolo Soetoro, Barack Barry Hussein Obama's step-father from Indonesia.
You remember quotes from Paladin? Richard Boone. Love it! One of my favorite shows.
A bad liar needs a good memory, too.
Apology accepted. Just chalk it up to lesson learned.
That is very odd. My youngest was born in San Jose, CA in 1964 and I received a hospital certificate for her. In fact it was only in the last few years I told her she needed to request from the Santa Clara County Health Dept an Official Certified Copy.
Actually I have a boxed set of DVD’s of I think 3 years.one of the old shows where good triumphed over evil....but the truth be known just last night on the old western channel he made the quote-it was funny he was talking to a girl at the Carlton in SF and she or he was trying to remember when they met before, then he kissed her and she said somthing like oh yeah i remember your kiss....and he said in French ( i think) Good liars should have good memories..and she slapped him and stomped off..
there is another quote of his about justice/revolution or such which I have forgotten but rings true today..Did you know Ida Lupina directed many of the shows and many were written by Gene Roddenberry the guy who went on to do star trek?
“Okubo tried saying that if somebody had the BC# they could hack the HDOH computers.”
I must have missed that one.
Where did she say that?
The younger 3 were born at Kaiser Permanente Hopital in Walnut Creek, CA. It depends on the hospital where they were born. The certificate from Illinois has a picture of the hospital and lovely calligraphy. I suspect that these hospital certificates were used as a marketing tool when they were vying for the business of young mothers, much as fancy birthing rooms are nowdays.
Kaiser Permanente was sort of a bare bones place. Most of the doctors came from a military background. I guess they didn’t think that they needed to supply fancy hospital certificates (worthless) to get business.
Looking at http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_4315.html
it looks like he could have gotten a US passport by showing a Kenyan birth certificate and proof of his mother’s citizenship. But that would have required a statement from his mother so it would have had to be done before she died.
A delayed birth certificate (such as the one Obama achieved in 2006) would work for a passport, with no other documents, if the BC lists that an affidavit by the parent is on file. That situation means that you can get a US passport merely on the word of the parents, whereas Hawaii seems to require incomplete medical information to be supplied by a doctor.
His Grandma could have signed a birth affidavit anywhere along the line, but there would have had to be “early records” as well - one of which is a baptism record (although it doesn’t meet the PREFERENCE that it be created within the first 5 years of life).
I’m sure Jeremiah Wright would have been happy to say on Obama’s baptism certificate that Obama was born in Hawaii. That’s one of the documents which has never been allowed to be made public. I know at our church we issue baptismal certificates but don’t keep copies; however the information for the baptism is recorded in the official record books. There was a time in MN when the church’s baptismal record from the official record book was used to get a birth certificate.
So there are ways it could be done even since 9-11. I wonder how the rules governing passport documentation have changed over the years - specifically whether 9-11 changed anything. To be in the US Congress a person has to be a US citizen - although that means nothing if nobody is allowed to check the documentation.
That was in the Politifact article before Factcheck came out with the photos showing a BC#. If it’s not scrubbed from the web I could probably find it for you. A lot of those statements were scrubbed and can only be found in cached pages or where they were excerpted elsewhere.
Here’s a cached page that has the entire article. Last I knew that article was off the web.
http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/008271.html
Here’s what the article said, dated 11-01-08
“Bloggers and other skeptics also wonder why a large black rectangle appears next to the words “CERTIFICATE NO.”
Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said the blackened portion is a department file number that was redacted to prevent hackers from breaking into the Health Department’s system.”
You know though, that doesn’t make sense for the quote to be in an article 11-01-08 because by then Factcheck had already posted what they said was the BC#. Unless they were just trying to deal with what could be proven to have been put out by Obama himself, the Fight the Smears image, which never did have the BC# on it.
Okay. Here’s one from June 13, 2008, before Factcheck gave the BC#. It’s from The Advertiser instead of Politifact, so I was mistaken on that.
http://colorado.mediamatters.org/items/200808190001
The quote from the article:
“Others wonder why a large black rectangle appears next to the words, “CERTIFICATE NO.”
“The thing that’s redacted is just our file number,” she said. “Potentially, if you have that number, you could break into the system.”
Interesting that the Advertiser was still spouting that same line from Okubo in November, even after the number had already been exposed via Factcheck.
And it’s interesting that Okubo ever said it in the first place, given that Factcheck says Hawaii officials said there was no reason not to show the number.
Quite a stupid statement on her part.
It certainly doesn’t make any sense for her to say that.
Do consider that this could simply be ignorance or error rather than a lie.
This is the gal who has been sending out birth certificates with numbers on them every day she goes to work. Does she really think that every time she does that she is opening up her office to be hacked?
She made the statement for a reason, but I don’t think it was from ignorance. Nobody can be that ignorant.
I think she was projecting what their excuse was going to be if anybody asked for the BC#. UIPA allows a record to be withheld if its release could compromise the security of the system.
Even if it doesn’t compromise the security and everybody knows it - it can still be cited as a reason, and who is willing and able to call them on the lie? Certainly not anybody in Hawaii government or law enforcement.
I dropped my request to see the computer-embedded transaction record for Obama’s file because a systems administrator here at FR said it would be too hard to compile the information (and they aren’t legally required to compile reports). But that was never what the HDOH gave as their answer. Their answer was that I was not allowed to see those records because it would frustrate the purpose of their office (another reason records can be withheld - a variation of the very excuse she alluded to when she made her stupid statement about the system potentially being hacked).
I believe it was a dishonest casual answer in preparation for a dishonest official answer if the request would be made - and an attempt to justify that number being hidden.
He said it in French! Those certainly were the days, when good triumphed over evil, and everyone rooted for the good guys, even though Palidin wore black.
No, I didn’t know that Ida Lupino directed it. I love her, too. A many-talented woman. Gene Roddenberry shows up in a lot of unexpected places. His wife, too. Majel. Love that name.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Are you watching Retro TV? Seems like the only channel worth watching these days.
Whats-his-name from World Net Daily offered a 1 million dollar reward to anyone that could produce O’s long form b/c. The money has never been collected.
Too bad Solomon doesn't have a darn cell phone! IS THIS THE "Walking hand-in-hand down a Chinese beach with my American wife, we find a Chinese baby of unknown provenance floating in a basket of freshly starched Arrow shirts scenario?
We rush it back to Maine and adopt the cute little thing. Is it a "Natural Born Citizen?" Call me cruel, but I don't think so. The cute little Feller or Gal would be naturalized upon adoption. OTOH, The courts (remember those quaint things?) have ruled that if a Natural Born Citizen is adopted, he still remains an NBC, and it's OK if he wants to run for POTUS. Our de facto POTUS has spent a fortune on this one, and has thrown the fog of confusion over the masses with his conflation (wonderful word) of Native-Born, which he hasn't proven, with Natural Born, which he cannot prove, since the putative Paw was a foreigner, not to mention a wife-beatin' commie bigamist with a DUI problem and enough wives and children in Darkest Africa to populate a small village of them quaint mud huts the POTUS' relatives live in, except for Aunt Zeituni, who's on Welfare up in Boston, and lives in Public Housing, just like her nephew, except one hopes, with a smaller lawn.
Question 2: Also, can one make an affirmative act after the age of majority that removes one’s eligibility to be POTUS.
Not being a wise Latina, I would say "Yasure." One can voluntarily surrender one's American citizenship. But if one were a "Natural Born Citizen," I believe that status would remain, but as a a now-foreign subject or citizen, other disqualifications would kick in.
Kenny Bunk has spoken. Go in peace. To Hawaii, and find out what the heck the Mombasa Moonbeam really is, who he is, and give me the name of everyone who voted for him, so that I may punish them each and every one, in horrid ways.
I hope I have been able to adumbrate sufficiently upon your legal questions.
“I hope I have been able to adumbrate sufficiently upon your legal questions.”
You, have, and with grace as well as humor. I stand to applaud!
“putative Paw was a foreigner, not to mention a wife-beatin’ commie bigamist with a DUI problem and enough wives and children in Darkest Africa to populate a small village of them quaint mud huts the POTUS’ relatives live in, except for Aunt Zeituni, who’s on Welfare up in Boston, and lives in Public Housing, just like her nephew, except one hopes, with a smaller lawn.”
That deserved repetition. Snort!
You’ll find in this world that error and stupidity are responsible for far more of this kind of thing than machination and conspiracy.
People say dumb things sometimes.
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