one is a CERTIFICATION... the other is a CERTIFICATE
even as a COLB, it is the short form... hardly enough to establish proof
here is a proper long form:
Posted on 05/11/2010 11:46:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
First of all, it is not a birth certificate, and secondly it is not valid.
I’m talking about Obama’s “green” altered COLB (Certificate Of Live Birth), that everyone from Fox’s Bill O’Reilly, to CNN’s Anderson Cooper, to White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, have been pointing to as “proof” that Obama is a Natural citizen of the United States, and therefore eligible to be POTUS.
I’ll write this slowly so that Bill O’Reilly, and others of like-mind (the “after-birthers”) can follow along.
The COLB says in great big EZ-to-read letters “Any Alterations Invalidate This Certificate.” Check.
The COLB has been altered (certification numbers blacked out). Check
Ergo, the COLB is invalid. Check.
Check, check, and check. Please reread the above as many times as needed in order to process it. I’ll wait.
Okay? If you want to debate the importance of the certification numbers, that’s one thing, but to claim that the certification is valid, is quite another. The COLB waved around by so many, as proof of Obama’s eligibility to be POTUS, is invalid. Period.
And, need I add, a COLB is certainly not a birth certificate. Again, claiming that an invalid COLB is as good as a genuine birth certificate is one thing, but to claim that they are one and the same, is quite another.
The Obama COLB that has been on display at FightTheSmears.com and other websites, is neither valid, nor a birth certificate—it never has been, and never will be. Exclamation point.
The question remains: Where’s the birth certificate? And you had darn well better believe that’s a valid, sensible, and important question.
Some folks seem fond of pointing to two newspaper birth notices, reputedly placed in Hawaiian newspapers during 1961.(continued)
(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...
incorrect. they are different.
do i really have to do your homework for you?
one is a CERTIFICATION... the other is a CERTIFICATE
even as a COLB, it is the short form... hardly enough to establish proof
here is a proper long form:
I do not know about “Certification” as that had nothing to do with what the article was saying. I was only questioning the difference between Birth Certificate and COLB.
OK. Then who was your doctor?
Actually, I go with the dual citizenship thing, since Sr. was a citizen of Kenya. Also, there’s that thing about mom being underage and not remaining in the country for 5 years.
0bama is ineligible.
Finally, for someone who loves himself so much, why he doesn’t want to brag about his grades or writings is beyond me. You’d think he’d have them in front of our faces almost as often as he thinks he is. (I can’t watch)
Tnx.
I only asked because no one know’s 0bama’s.
It’s also extremely odd to me that since 1990, there aren’t any family photos of visits to Hawaii. During his ‘grandmother’s’ later years, there aren’t any stories of lunches with friends, 0bama coming for visits, travels, etc., etc. Nothing. No pix. No family stories. No records of neighbors talking about the Dunhams. Nada. You’d think people would be more than happy to get their 15 minutes of fame for such an ‘historic’ president.
The original wasn't altered, only the scan. Here's a photo of the original, unaltered document.
Looks like it's attacking his Stalinist ways, but really bringing up the Natural-Born Citizen issue, in the way which is factually relevant.
Cheers!
"Certification of Live Birth" is not a "Certificate of Live Birth.
In all due respect, they are NOT the same. you are incorrect on this issue.
2ndDivisionVet certainly knows, and is probably heartened that any writer will publish the truth. Most in the media make statements like “We won't know that Obama is eligible until we see his long form birth certificate.” That statement is nonsense, but is repeated again and again. A natural born citizen is “born on the soil of citizen parents” and only a citizen father might make him a natural born citizen.
Amateur historians, because most academics are afraid of the campaign of ridicule or of career repercussions, have discovered dozens of citations confirming this common law definition. It is a term understood by the framers, founders, and much of the literate Western world after it was defined by Vattel in 1758. Vattel was by far the most cited legal reference in court and in pleadings in the U.S. between 1789 and 1821 (Grotrian Society Papers 1972, Studies in the History of the Law of Nations, The Popularity of Vattel, F.S. Ruddy). Jefferson introduced the course on The Laws of Nature and of Nations in 1779 at William and Mary; Vattel remained the text until 1841. Madison was President of William and Mary and Marshall one of its students in 1780.
Obama is not a Constitutional president because he was born a British subject, a result of his father being a British subject and the 1948 British Nationality Act, according to Obama’s web site fightthesmears.com. The birth certificate issue is a distraction because it is not in evidence, or necessary to show that Obama is ineligible for the presidency. We are not a democracy. We claim to be a republic based upon a foundation of laws - the Constitution. If the electoral college had not been weakened by politcal gerrymandering, they should have ascertained that candidates met qualifications. In 2008 we had three ineligible presidential candidates on most ballots, Obama, Calero who is here on a green card from Central America, and McCain who was born in Panama. That may be why no Republican dared raise the Obama eligibility issue.
Our elections will become more and more like those of Venezuela. Popularity will determine eligibility. Vote counts are already a joke and most simply accept, or as in Wisconsin, enshrine the right to cheat by making the display of identification at polling places illegal. We already have Congress-persons and perhaps senators from California whose margins were attained by counting illegal aliens.
We are losing our nation. We still have free speech. The author of the Canada Free Press article did get around toward the end of his article to the the fundamental issue, the unassailable fact, that Obama was born to a non-citizen father. He led with COLBs and rumors. No mainstream media figure has done as well, but for the time being, we still have a relatively uncensored Internet. We need to use it.
The principal defense for the cadre of the Obama Regime is disinformation. The birth certificate is disinformation because The Regime control any authoritative release of information, and may be planting misdirection. Even a native born citizen of the U.S. as Obama claims himself to be is ineligible to the presidency unless he also has parents who are both citizens, native or naturalized.
Please help others understand what our legislature and judiciary, and apparently, military, is afraid to deal with. Obama is patently Constitutionally ineligible to be president. Every appointment, every bill, every treaty he signs is moot. Men have already died because of his new rules of engagement in the middle east. The Navy finally ignored his orders in Somalia, but our ships will become more and more vulnerable. He has killed our most potent air superiority fighter, the F22.
The supreme court is violating a fundamental precept described by chief justice John Marshall requiring the court to assert primary jurisdiction in cases involving direct interpretation of the Constitution. Obama is working for the destruction of our republic, financially, militarily, racially, and through internal strife.
sfl
Ah, the factcheck 'scanned' image - lol. Produced by a couple of liberals named Jess Henig, who has an M.A. in English Literature; and Joe Miller who has a Ph. D. in Political Philosophy.
This document has never seen the inside of a courtroom, a judge has never looked at it or handled it, neither has any jury or even anyone in the media.
Why is that do you suppose??? Better yet, why don't you try that with your own birth certificate, scan it, make a .jpg image of it and then take your laptop with you down to the Passport office and see if you'll get a passport just using an image on a computer screen.
I hate to break it to you, but until that paper document is released for proper examination by non-politically biased professionals, it has never been validated - PERIOD. Until then all that has EVER been released is a computer image which in and of itself isn't valid.
Prove it, fool.
The obamanoid touts an image yet ignores the FACT that three other images supposedly of ‘the valid CoLB’ are obviously not images of the image the obamanoid posted. Such is the deceit of the liars working for the affirmative action liar-in-chief. and they are a protected species at FR, sadly.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”—July 27, 2009
Those are two VERY different things! Dr. Fukino should stick to medicine and not dabble in constitutional law. I don't care if he was born in the Lincoln bedroom! If Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama, Senior (A British subject from Kenya) is Mr. Obama's father, there is no way he is a natural-born citizen!! Native-born, perhaps, but that's not what the constitution calls for.
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