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1 posted on 04/24/2010 2:22:49 PM PDT by Welshman007
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Waiting for the fat lady to sing on this one. The results will be more closely guarded than Bambi’s birth/college records. IMHO


2 posted on 04/24/2010 2:27:12 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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Why would Putin do this? Because of the missiles?


3 posted on 04/24/2010 2:27:37 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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My ignorant reaction is that the Air Traffic Controllers brought the plane in too low on purpose.


4 posted on 04/24/2010 2:27:53 PM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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If Russia is involved, what is going to happen? Nothing. What is Poland able to do militarily? Obama could care less. NATO is toothless.


6 posted on 04/24/2010 2:30:45 PM PDT by GQuagmire ( We are no longer Massholes)
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9 posted on 04/24/2010 2:35:45 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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It would be interesting to know what altimeter settings the air traffic controller radioed to the pilot as the plane approached the air port and how it squared with actual conditions. It seems that info would be available from the black box and weather stations in the area. But if they were flying VFR it wouldn’t matter, but I thought it was very foggy. And was there any ILS system in place?


12 posted on 04/24/2010 2:43:49 PM PDT by JoSixChip (You think your having a bad day?.....Just remember, somewhere out there is a Mr. Pelosi!)
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Shots fired at crash site before rescue personel arrived, before sirens sounded even.

Man that taped this video was stabbed a couple of days ago.

Here is the video footage taken by the now deceased Russian fellow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxIFh3NkEvM&feature=player_embedded


14 posted on 04/24/2010 2:45:43 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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Just got this in email from a fellow Freeper. Haven't checked it out myself yet, so I make no claims as to its veracity.

The guy who filmed the shots fired at the POLISH PLANE CRASH WAS ASSASSINATED

15 posted on 04/24/2010 2:46:37 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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Just the fact that Vlad Putin is so closly connected with ALL aspects of this tragedy set the suspicion in my mind.


19 posted on 04/24/2010 2:52:43 PM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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Oh, sure. We’re expected to believe that the Russians went to all the effort to crash the plane, cart away all the bodies, remove all personal items from the site, and kill the guy who video taped it but forgot there was a black box that would tell the whole story?


27 posted on 04/24/2010 3:12:16 PM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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Did anyone think anything else was the case?


28 posted on 04/24/2010 3:13:30 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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The Russian’s are capable of this and much more. But this tragedy was a failure of Polish security. They allowed their entire leadership to fly on the same plane. That’s not smart.


31 posted on 04/24/2010 3:17:18 PM PDT by rae4palin (RESIST--REPEAL--IMPEACH)
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The only contribution I can make as an pilot who has been instrument-qualified for about 40 years is that when you arrive to find your destination airport below minimums for the approach and you shoot the approach anyway, you should not be surprised when you get to minimums and find that you cannot see the field. Further, when you try again that you get the same result. Unless there is some change in the weather, accompanied by a confirmation by a ground-based observer, why would you even try a third time?

This does not appear to be a repeat of the accident in which Ron Brown died where the aircraft shot a NDB approach into rising terrain. (that affair is a whole 'nother can of worms) It appears that this pilot just busted minimums and got the same results most other pilots have achieved when they did so.

I await further credible news on this tragic, and probably totally avoidable, accident.

36 posted on 04/24/2010 3:21:42 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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47 posted on 04/24/2010 3:38:25 PM PDT by narses (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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Well, nothing will come of this, I suppose, but it’s as well to know what really happened.

Putin is a scum. And stupid, because the last thing Russia needs is to get involved in empire building, when they can’t even produce enough children to ensure the continued existence of Russia itself.

Certainly Obama will do nothing. In fact, he will be secretly pleased if he is briefed on this. But he’s probably too busy playing golf to bother with regular briefings.


51 posted on 04/24/2010 3:51:05 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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I have been very suspicious, right from the start, that the black box recordings have not simply been released. Given the importance of this case, they should have been. The changing stories about how many times the plane attempted to land are also suspect.


62 posted on 04/24/2010 5:45:20 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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Who would have thought?????

Russia has been evil for a long time....they are infected with it.


69 posted on 04/25/2010 3:46:39 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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bump


77 posted on 04/25/2010 7:02:04 AM PDT by opentalk
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What an ignorant reporter! Is it really so hard to read “President Kaczynki”? I constantly hear “Kazynski, kesynski, and a cacophony similar to that.

Note “Polish “cz” is ALWAYS read like an English “ch”, e.g. in the word “charlie”, so the President of Poland's name is “kachynski”, or especially to the reporter's ability of the second language acquisition - “catch-in-skee” (LOL)

If somebody comes to any other country, learn at least how to pronounce the most important words, not to mention the basic facts about the country.
When I hear that ridiculous reporter, it reminds me of an elephant trying to characterize an eagle.

80 posted on 04/25/2010 12:03:41 PM PDT by Matt_Rel
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