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Video--New Report Implicates Russian Gov't In Polish Plane Crash
Conservative Examiner ^ | 4/24/2010 | Anthony G. Martin

Posted on 04/24/2010 2:22:48 PM PDT by Welshman007

New information has come to light concerning the Polish plane crash that killed the main figures of Poland's government, including its President.

According to investigative reporter Jane Burgermeister, the black box indicates no mechanical issues with the plane and no interference on the part of Poland's President to force a landing of the plane against the wishes of the pilot.

(AP Photo/Petr David Josek). Poland mourns.

In addition, there is no indication at all from the recovered record that the plane attempted several landings, as reported by Russian officials. The plane attempted to land only once.

Discrepancies also exist with regard to claims by Russian officials regarding crash logistics, the ability of the pilot to speak Russian, and other official statements that do not square with the facts.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


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KEYWORDS: cccp; coldwar2; communism; coverup; cpsu; iran; israel; kgb; military; obama; poland; polishairdisaster; putin; ruskieslie; russia; sovietunion; ussr
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To: GQuagmire

I wonder if Poland has some old Warsaw Pact toys laying around from the good old days that might be useful.


21 posted on 04/24/2010 2:59:20 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: JoSixChip

Here is the link in Russian.

http://fakty.interia.pl/raport/lech-kaczynski-nie-zyje/news/dwie-czarne-skrzynki-juz-rozszyfrowane/komentarze,1467054,1,29891999

Here is a link to a blog translating the info
http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2010/04/guy-who-filmed-shots-fired-at-polish.html

Here is the Free Republic link to the thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2498071/posts


22 posted on 04/24/2010 3:02:15 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine; TigersEye

Got it, thanks!


23 posted on 04/24/2010 3:03:49 PM PDT by JoSixChip (You think your having a bad day?.....Just remember, somewhere out there is a Mr. Pelosi!)
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To: JoSixChip; autumnraine; TigersEye

So who here reads ruski?


24 posted on 04/24/2010 3:07:02 PM PDT by JoSixChip (You think your having a bad day?.....Just remember, somewhere out there is a Mr. Pelosi!)
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To: JoSixChip; autumnraine

When I first read that story and watched the video, apart from the poor quality of the video, I wondered how plausible it was that survivors would be shot. Wouldn’t the Polish coroners immediately identify gunshot wounds!?! Now that it I know the bodies went to Moscow first it becomes much more plausible.


25 posted on 04/24/2010 3:10:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: JoSixChip

Not me, comrade. I’m still struggling with 0bama-commie-speak.


26 posted on 04/24/2010 3:11:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: Welshman007

Oh, sure. We’re expected to believe that the Russians went to all the effort to crash the plane, cart away all the bodies, remove all personal items from the site, and kill the guy who video taped it but forgot there was a black box that would tell the whole story?


27 posted on 04/24/2010 3:12:16 PM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: Welshman007

Did anyone think anything else was the case?


28 posted on 04/24/2010 3:13:30 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: bgill

If the bodies didn’t go to Moscow wouldn’t someone in Poland debunk that pretty quickly? If the guy was stabbed put in the hospital and stabbed again, to his death, wouldn’t that also be debunked rapidly?


29 posted on 04/24/2010 3:15:19 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: JoSixChip

If you find out, let me know.

I’m working on a russian/english translation site now.


30 posted on 04/24/2010 3:15:44 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Welshman007

The Russian’s are capable of this and much more. But this tragedy was a failure of Polish security. They allowed their entire leadership to fly on the same plane. That’s not smart.


31 posted on 04/24/2010 3:17:18 PM PDT by rae4palin (RESIST--REPEAL--IMPEACH)
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To: TigersEye

Never said it didn’t happen. I question the story that they would ever have made such a big ooopsie as to leave the black box and let the information on it out to the public.


32 posted on 04/24/2010 3:18:02 PM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: arthurus

It all is just very odd, darn near the entire Polish government is on a single plane and it goes down for seemingly no reason. Then all this stuff going on at the edges. I was suspicious when I first heard the story, so now I need proof it was not intentional. The only evidence offered is the governments account of it. I got news for you, I don’t trust the ruski government any more then I trust ours, maybe less if that is possible.


33 posted on 04/24/2010 3:20:17 PM PDT by JoSixChip (You think your having a bad day?.....Just remember, somewhere out there is a Mr. Pelosi!)
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To: bgill

How do you hide the black box? They are made to survive almost anything and recovery is a near certainty on land. Claiming it was never found or refusing to release it to Polish authorities wouldn’t fly.


34 posted on 04/24/2010 3:20:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: TigersEye

The polish coronors? You mean the coronors employed by the Pro-Russian, buddy of Putin, just visited with him (Putin) in Russia a couple of days before the crash President Tusk of Poland?


35 posted on 04/24/2010 3:21:33 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Welshman007
The only contribution I can make as an pilot who has been instrument-qualified for about 40 years is that when you arrive to find your destination airport below minimums for the approach and you shoot the approach anyway, you should not be surprised when you get to minimums and find that you cannot see the field. Further, when you try again that you get the same result. Unless there is some change in the weather, accompanied by a confirmation by a ground-based observer, why would you even try a third time?

This does not appear to be a repeat of the accident in which Ron Brown died where the aircraft shot a NDB approach into rising terrain. (that affair is a whole 'nother can of worms) It appears that this pilot just busted minimums and got the same results most other pilots have achieved when they did so.

I await further credible news on this tragic, and probably totally avoidable, accident.

36 posted on 04/24/2010 3:21:42 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: TigersEye

The polish coronors? You mean the coronors employed by the Pro-Russian, buddy of Putin, just visited with him (Putin) in Russia a couple of days before the crash President Tusk of Poland?

*** Pardon me, Prime Minister Tusk.


37 posted on 04/24/2010 3:21:53 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

That’s a very cryptic post, autumnraine. I have no idea what you’re saying.


38 posted on 04/24/2010 3:22:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: TigersEye

Considering how many journalists Putin has killed (seriously, google that) who would “debunk” it? The official story is that it is a “coincidence” and that is that.

Russia is a different world and mindset than us. Americans had better wake up and realize it.


39 posted on 04/24/2010 3:23:33 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

What you are saying is that Poland has no loyal officials at all. Sure, I believe that. /s


40 posted on 04/24/2010 3:25:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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