Ok, so Barak Hussein Obama, AKA Barry Soetoro, is not a natural born U.S. citizen, so what?

[TexasPatriot8]

Ok, basically, unable to sleep and this has been rolling around my head for days, and I'm increasingly annoyed by conservatives, and as pissed at liberals as I can ever recall being. If this below is true, then what? If it's bogus, I can't find it on Snopes or Truth or Fiction. If this is on those sites as bogus for God's sake someone please post where, cause the b*****d is still President, so if it's true, hmph. Maybe someone else can find it. But first things first, IF this below is true, then...???

Lolo Soetoro, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, baby Maya Soetoro, and 9 year old Barry Soetoro. This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro.

Name: Barry Soetoro Religion: Islam Nationality: Indonesian

How did this little INDONESIAN Muslim child - Barry Soetoro, (A.K.A. Barack Obama) get around the issue of nationality to become President of the United States of America?

PART 2: In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. The transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia while an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify for this scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document provides the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking - that he is NOT a natural-born citizen of the United States - necessary to be President of these United States. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya, here we see that there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still on-going but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused comment on this matter.

[TexasPatriot8]

SO, IF that's ALL true, what? IF this Gary Kreep guy is legit, how long does it REALLY take to prove something like this? A one plus year long investigation seems questionable. IF all of the above is true, where are all the wealthy conservatives? Why aren't they filing suit? There must be SOME suit that can be filed against Obama IF it's true. Running for public office under an assumed name? Perjury; as he lied about being a citizen under oath as he took the oath of office, violating Article II of the Constitution which prohibits foreign born persons from running for President or VP. Breach of contract, as taking the oath is a contract with the country, and if he was not born in Hawaii or the other 49 states, he's breached that contract by flatly lying and omitting facts. There must be SOME kind of law that he could be sued over. Or at the very least, why doesn't some rich conservative slander and libel Obama SO viciously in public about this that Obama has to sue them for slander and libel, then have it proven in court that Obama is not a citizen. The lack of a slander and libel suit would prove to illustrate that someone is telling the truth, since only a total moron would sue someone for libel and/or slander KNOWING they're really telling the truth, since the suit would verify the claims and put them on the record as factual. Why doesn't Limbaugh, or Perot, or ANYONE, someone with both conservative convictions, a platform, and money to back it up, file suit and be done with all the rhetoric and bulls**t. I am 100% behind the Tea Party movement and have been solidly conservative politically since long before I could vote, but at the same time, as a 38 year old parent of two, I am beyond sick of the bulls**t. If the b*****d is lying and is not a citizen, why don't the people wiht the money and platform to take it on, DO IT and stop talking about it! ALL conservatives with money and a voice do is TALK TALK TALK! Where's the f*****g action? I have no money for that. I have no voice or platform to do it. All I have is my family which liberal extremists would easily target and destroy if someone like me does this. But there are plenty of rich powerful conservative who are immune to that kind of thing because of their money and power and positions. Yet all they do is run their mouths. Where's the action? This man is 16 months into his term as Premier, or President, whichever you prefer to call him, and has just used that office to pass Commiecare, the most horrible debt making socialistic takeover of industry and violation of the Constitution in the nation's history. Makes Social Security look like McCarthyism. Give the clear evidence that Obama is a flat out socialist, not even conservative to be an extreme liberal, where's the wealthy powerful conservative people the past year using the legal system to remove Obama from office and put an end to this? Please explain how it's not as simple as getting a conservative Judge to issue a subpoena to be served at the White House demanding Obama provide an original certified copy of his birth certificate, or be held in contempt and go from there. The President is not immune to being held in contempt of court for violating a court order. Especially if there's reason to believe he's in violation of Article II of the Constitution by holding the office. So all this rah rah conservative bulls**t tells me one of two things. Either Obama is a citizen but him and all his people are simply the stupidest effers on the face of the Earth for not putting it to rest long ago, OR, he's not a citizen and not a single conservative person with money and a platform to be heard has the b***s to stand up, file suit against Obama, and do something about it. Either way I'm totally disgusted and fed up with all the talking and b******g and moaning, and the total absence of someone filing suit and doing something that actually matters, putting their butt on the line instead of just talking about it. Because all the talk in the world will simply get us two and a half more years of commiebama, give or take ANOTHER four after that, and we won't even frikkin recognize the damn country when he finally leaves. So what? Where's the damn law suits instead of all the damn talk? Are there any conservatives with money that can do more than talk? Cause I'm not seeing them. And I'm so far beyond disgusted seeing what this country is turning into I don't even know what to do anymore. This isn't the same country my family has fought in every war since the Revolution anymore. Not the country my father fought for. And from what I see, voting for the most conservative candidates I could for 20 years, and campaigning and volunteering before and after voting has done exactly squat when I see the state of the nation. So, if Obama's not a citizen, so what? cause no one is doing a damn thing about it but talk. And talk is like taking a dump. Everyone can do it and it deosn't matter.

[wastoute]

Nothing is being done because it would embarass Nancy Pelosi. She had to certify his eligibility. Got it?

[dubie]

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. — Thomas Jefferson

[raygun]

I see that you’ve I.D.’d a problem.

What are YOU going to do about it?

[knarf]

I'm no grammarian ... but ...

SO, IF that's ALL true, what?

IF this Gary Kreep guy is legit, how long does it REALLY take to prove something like this? A one plus year long investigation seems questionable.

IF all of the above is true, where are all the wealthy conservatives? Why aren't they filing suit? There must be SOME suit that can be filed against Obama IF it's true.

Running for public office under an assumed name?
Perjury; as he lied about being a citizen under oath as he took the oath of office, violating Article II of the Constitution which prohibits foreign born persons from running for President or VP. Breach of contract, as taking the oath is a contract with the country, and if he was not born in Hawaii or the other 49 states, he's breached that contract by flatly lying and omitting facts.

There must be SOME kind of law that he could be sued over. Or at the very least, why doesn't some rich conservative slander and libel Obama SO viciously in public about this that Obama has to sue them for slander and libel, then have it proven in court that Obama is not a citizen.

The lack of a slander and libel suit would prove to illustrate that someone is telling the truth, since only a total moron would sue someone for libel and/or slander KNOWING they're really telling the truth, since the suit would verify the claims and put them on the record as factual. Why doesn't Limbaugh, or Perot, or ANYONE, someone with both conservative convictions, a platform, and money to back it up, file suit and be done with all the rhetoric and bulls**t.

I am 100% behind the Tea Party movement and have been solidly conservative politically since long before I could vote, but at the same time, as a 38 year old parent of two, I am beyond sick of the bulls**t. If the b*****d is lying and is not a citizen, why don't the people wiht the money and platform to take it on, DO IT and stop talking about it!

ALL conservatives with money and a voice do is TALK TALK TALK! Where's the f*****g action?

I have no money for that. I have no voice or platform to do it. All I have is my family which liberal extremists would easily target and destroy if someone like me does this. But there are plenty of rich powerful conservative who are immune to that kind of thing because of their money and power and positions. Yet all they do is run their mouths. Where's the action?

This man is 16 months into his term as Premier, or President, whichever you prefer to call him, and has just used that office to pass Commiecare, the most horrible debt making socialistic takeover of industry and violation of the Constitution in the nation's history.

Makes Social Security look like McCarthyism.

Give the clear evidence that Obama is a flat out socialist, not even conservative to be an extreme liberal, where's the wealthy powerful conservative people the past year using the legal system to remove Obama from office and put an end to this?

Please explain how it's not as simple as getting a conservative Judge to issue a subpoena to be served at the White House demanding Obama provide an original certified copy of his birth certificate, or be held in contempt and go from there. The President is not immune to being held in contempt of court for violating a court order. Especially if there's reason to believe he's in violation of Article II of the Constitution by holding the office.

So all this rah rah conservative bulls**t tells me one of two things. Either Obama is a citizen but him and all his people are simply the stupidest effers on the face of the Earth for not putting it to rest long ago, OR, he's not a citizen and not a single conservative person with money and a platform to be heard has the b***s to stand up, file suit against Obama, and do something about it.

Either way I'm totally disgusted and fed up with all the talking and b******g and moaning, and the total absence of someone filing suit and doing something that actually matters, putting their butt on the line instead of just talking about it. Because all the talk in the world will simply get us two and a half more years of commiebama, give or take ANOTHER four after that, and we won't even frikkin recognize the damn country when he finally leaves. So what?

Where's the damn law suits instead of all the damn talk?

Are there any conservatives with money that can do more than talk? Cause I'm not seeing them. And I'm so far beyond disgusted seeing what this country is turning into I don't even know what to do anymore.

This isn't the same country my family has fought in every war since the Revolution anymore. Not the country my father fought for. And from what I see, voting for the most conservative candidates I could for 20 years, and campaigning and volunteering before and after voting has done exactly squat when I see the state of the nation.

So, if Obama's not a citizen, so what? cause no one is doing a damn thing about it but talk. And talk is like taking a dump. Everyone can do it and it deosn't matter.

[TexasPatriot8]

What would you suggest I do Ray? Sell everything I own, all my kids things, and do what? Go where? I have two kids not even in school yet. We make ends meet while paying off debt. Never travel or do anything for now. Other than your snappy little one line taunt, what would you suggest I do? I give money to conservative causes when we can afford it. Support the Tea Party movement as much as we can considering we have no life with a 2 year old and 7 month old and no help to watch them while we do something else. And have one car so we aren’t debting ourselves every month with a second. So tell me Prof, what would you suggest I do? And why the hell should someone like me be expected to sacrifice my kids safety and security when the thousands of very wealthy and powerful conservatives who could do it without jeopardizing their families do NOTHING!

[TexasPatriot8]

In addition to not being a grammarian knarf, you contribute exactly noting to a discussion. Your post was as useful as not posting at all. Please pardon me if I made some grammatical errors at 5:25 in the morning, typing that at 55 wpm without spell check, after my 7 mo old woke me up and I can’t get back to sleep. I’d totally love to see you type that much, that fast, with fewer errors. If you can’t contribute seriously to the thread. f**k off. I’m not looking for smart a** remarks from punks with no life. I’m dead damn serious and want serious responses because I’m sick of all the bulls**t, and the election in seven months is shaping up to be as meaningless as all the rest of them. If you can’t understand why I’m frustrated, then seriously, piss off. I want serious thoughtful replies, not taunting bs. Thanks much.

[knarf]

I'm as pissed as you and actually appreciate your post.

I've done this many times in the past and have never been lambasted for attempting to make a worthy writing easier for more people to read.

Making your thoughts easier for us old farts to read IS contributing.

We don't give a shit anymore and will pull a trigger before YOU do.

Our kids are grown, the house is paid for, our lives are over and we have a more burning desire to DO something ... especially because we ARE poor, (ex?) working class heroes and there doesn't seem to be ANYONE interested in doing anything more radical than talk and campaign/vote.

[Waco]

Apparently the fix is to get healthcare thrown out by the courts while allowing him to finish his term and be lauded as the greatest turd-bucket the RATS have ever nominated to anything. Even greater than Carter or Clinton, which ain’t saying much but he will be spun as a prez. who didn’t get a real chance to strut his stuff.

[ctdonath2]

Please explain how it's not as simple as getting a conservative Judge to issue a subpoena

Aye, there's the rub. Saying it's simple don't make it so.

[Humal]

Texas, if you go back through the archives of FR and look up “Obama Birth Certificate” (there may actually be a category for it), you will see that dozens/hundreds of suits have been brought both before and after the election to answer the very question that you are asking. Most of them were dismissed “for lack of standing”, even though Alan Keyes, his opponent for the Democratic primary, should have had “standing” if anyone did. There have been military personnel, attorneys, “just plain people”, and others who have tried through the courts to get an answer. None of them got through. There was a judge in California who was a “take no prisoners” judge, and hopes soared that an answer could be found. Then, an assistant from the very group of lawyers defending Obama on keeping his papers hidden was added to the judge's staff, and the case before him was dismissed within a couple of weeks.

What can be done??? I don't know; wish I did.

[TexasPatriot8]

No wastoute I don’t get it, because that’s not how government works. Speaker of the House has less than nothing to do with the process if he wasn’t a citizen ever, she would just be on the hook after the fact, but the legislative branch has no authority to block a private citizen from filing some kind of litigation against the President regarding his citizenship. I’d be more worried about Obama’s cronies and the radical liberal socialist thugs out there that would target someone doing something. That’s why I pointed out it has to be someone with the money and power to handle that fact, but they do noting. ALL I CAN DO is be pure dee 100% fed up and pissed about it because I have no power or position to do anything about it, no kind of money it would take to do something about it. And no platform to do something about it. And those that do have those three things do nothing. Limbaugh has all three of those things, and none of the liabilities, but I don’t see him filing any kind of suit as a citizen. I only see him doing his show 5 times a week. And his show is the best conservative show ever, but it’s not going to get osamaobama in court, ever. All I can do politically is vote, which considering I’m in Texas is pissing WITH the wind at least, since where I live, the Republican candidates win 95% of the time, and volunteer for candidates whenever we possibly can, support conservative groups, etc, but there’s nothing else we can do, literally nothing. And those that can, all they do is talk. If I had several hundred million dollars in the bank, a law firm on retainer, and a platform to be listened to from, I know enough about the system to know I’d be doing more than just talking. But those people, talking is ALL they’ve done the past year and a half. All talk, no walk, and commiecare is what we have to show for it, as thanks for conservative inaction. I don’t even imagine the country will be anything like it was when I was 20, when my kids are 20. This makes me wish my 6th great-grandfather had just stayed in Austria and said he was Catholic, not protestant, so the Catholics wouldn’t run him out, cause the U.S. is quickly becoming the opposite of what it was when I was little and I don’t know if that’s more scary or disgusting. But it’s harder and harder to “ignore” on a normal daily basis and just do what you have to in life, as though things will be ok, when it’s more and more obvious, things will NOT be ok. Not if you like the Constitution and want to live under it’s authority. It’s NOT ok anymore. And there’s NOTHING to be done about it. If the Democrats hold Congress in November, the sky’s the limit as to how bad things will get. And conservatives with a voice and the position and money to back it up aren’t doing anything to really change it. Just talking.

[1234]

..."Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. The transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia while an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify for this scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.

repeatedly, on FR site, this has been called a hoax-it ain't true-claim was some kinda 'joking' (last Spring?)!!!

my little checking indicated NO Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program for undergrads....

[raygun]

I don't know what would be the best thing for you to do. It would be a most egregious of error for my presumptuousness to suggest otherwise.

You mention a bunch of youngsters that are dependent upon your decisions. You have no idea how I envy you.

If I was in your shoes, I'd get as straight with Jesus Christ as I could. I'd try to show those youngsters every day what it means to have a "personal" relationship with one's saviour. But I don't have such a blessed gift as "children; I have no insight in that regard.

I'm unclear why you refer to me as "Prof". I haven't a clue whether I know you, or not. Nevertheless, it sounds as if you're struggling. I will pray for you.

Dunno if that helps. Not exactly sure how that has anything to do with anything anyway...

[TexasPatriot8]

Humal, so liberals moles are in every Judges staff in the country and no one has standing to question Obama’s citizenship? Where is that covered in legal precedent that someone can be just dismissed as not having standing when they’re wanting to see proof of the President’s citizenship? How can NO citizen have standing in the courts set up by the same Constitution that says you have to be a born citizen to be President? This is just like all the crap with john effing kerry and all his traitorous crap he did during Vietnam, all the lies and deceit, all the deliberate burying of documents, the flat refusal to answer questions, his refusal to sign one document that would make his military records open to prove his case if he was telling the truth, all that crap. Just ignored and no one got to the bottom of it, and he’s STILL Senator with no answers to any of it and no one challenges it. And he’s less than half as bad as Obama who’s a flat out socialist not even born here, yet the Constitution is violated day after day after day with evidence he’s not a citizen, which never sees the light of day in any court, and I just don’t understand why or how. It all makes the Constitution look really weak and flawed if it can be subverted and flaunted like this by extremist people manipulating the system, and that makes me really sick.

[TexasPatriot8]

Knarf, ok ood you do understand what I’m saying. I thought you were making light of it or mocking me. It’s just to the point that when I hear a conservative voice talking about obama, A CONSERVATIVE mind you, I just have to turn it off, because all I hear is “yeah yeah yeah, rah rah rah, talk talk talk”. Lotsa talk, nothing coming from it. Every day is done and lots of conservative voices have had their say on tv and radio and the net, and after all that’s over, exactly NOTHING has changed. Might as well never have happened. The Tea Party movement is the only thing I see right now that I still believe is some substance with gains to be had, not just talk. I guess it just frustrates and angers me to the extreme that a piece of foreign trash like obama and his extremist cronies with the support of the democrat party can violate the Constitution so blatantly, and nothing is done but talk. But boy howdy if someone goes public and says they’re going to blow his head off, yeah boy real action is taken there, cause that isn’t just talk. They’ll statch that person’s butt up and he’ll never be seen again. That makes me wonder. Is it legal for the Secret Service to even arrest someone for threatening to kill the President if the President is illegally the President because he wasn’t born in the U.S.?

I’m always nervous even mentioning anything like this in the same sentence knowing how radical and extreme obama and his people are. Even though some radical wrote a whole book on assassinating George W. Bush while he was President and nothing happened to them, I truly believe someone could do FAR less than that regarding osama and wake up in a world of hurt in a short period of time.

[Upstate NY Guy]

Paragraphs are our friends. It is very hard to read two or three hundred words without them.

Knarf's version is much easier on the eye. That is a contribution in my mind.

[yorkie01]

It’s in our constitution that one must be a natural citizen. If there is any doubt on the British Kenjan subject, we should err on the side of caution and never take a chance. The Germans took on Adolf Hitler, who was born on April 20th 1889 in Braunau-am-Inn, Austria. Barry’s not Hitler but he employ’s similar tactics, pitting Americans against Americans especially when it comes to redistributed wealth from white to black. Hitler used the same tactics against Jews. It’s worisome, indeed.

[nathanbedford]

"<.P>"

Is my friend if not yours.

[Ayn And Milton]

Am I the only one who finds the name ‘Barry Soetoro’ extremely funny (as in: little hoodlum)?