Another new twist in birth certificate story: Hawaii "paper copy was destroyed in a fire"

World Net Daily ^ | March 2, 2010 | Joseph Farah

[2ndDivisionVet]

The Hawaii Department of Health claims to have an original copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate, right?

In fact, it is this established "fact" that has persuaded so many people there is nothing to the question of eligibility.

After all, an official in Hawaii has made a public pronouncement that she has inspected the document and declared on her own authority that Obama is a "natural born American" and thus eligible to serve as president.

For many Americans, that settles the question.

However, now a new version of the story is emerging.

The United Kingdom's Sky News reported Saturday: "Authorities in Hawaii have provided an electronic record of Obama's birth because the paper copy was destroyed in a fire which wiped out much of the state's archives."

Which is it?

Does Hawaii actually have an original long-form, paper birth certificate for Obama, or was it destroyed in a fire?

It seems the story is ever-changing.

And that's why it's time for Obama to come clean.

There is little question the heavily Democratic state of Hawaii has no interest in providing any information that would disqualify the first president claiming to be from that state.

If indeed the state has a copy of the original birth certificate, as Director of Health Dr. Chiyome Fukino claims, it should be no problem for Obama to give her permission to release it publicly – and, once and for all, settle the controversy that has resulted in that state being inundated with inquiries from curious American citizens.

Fukino has released two public statements on this matter.(continued)

[edge919]

The House of Representatives resolution for Hawaii’s 50th Anniversary of Statehood contains reference to Hawaii being the birthplace of Barack Obama. That resolution passed the House by a vote of 393-0. Game, set, and Match.

Sorry, but this doesn't mean a damn thing. Obama signed a resolution for John McCain that acknowledges criteria for natural born citizenship that Obama fails to meet. Yes, he won a resounding victory over McCain, but he's also managed to figure out a way to marginalize public opposition to his birth claims with namecalling like "birthers" or worse, calling people racist for questioning his citizenship. Where's the transparency he pledged??

[jamese777]

Okubo was absolutely right. You cannot determine the nature of an image from a photoshopped copy on a website but when the St. Petersburg Times newspaper mailed a copy of Obama’s COLB to Janice Okubo she confirmed it as a “valid Hawaii state birth certificate.”
It was absolutely not Obot the ‘Final chapter’.

Okubo backtracks swimming fast in a later statement to the St. Petersburg weenies by the following:

“A senior official in the State of Hawaii’s Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his “birth certificate” lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature. Backing away from a quote attributed to her that the image on the campaign site was “valid,” she told the St. Petersburg (Florida) Times in an article published yesterday: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

As I told you up the thread, the St. Petersburg Times article has been debunked more times than Democrats lie in a months...and that’s a whole lotta lying. You seem to always regurgitate crap that’s old news which has been hammered into submission.

Your misdirection saying Janice Okubo that she confirmed it as a “valid Hawaii state birth certificate” has been negated by her own words. And define “it”? “It” was certainly not what was posted online at the DailyKos.com Kooks.

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It is Janice Okubo’s office that has put an Obama COLB FAQ on the web. If she has “backtracked” it sure doesn’t show in the FAQ.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

A month AFTER the Politifact article in the St. Petersburg Times, Okubo reaffirms her position on Obama’s COLB. Her statements are toward the end of the article:
http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam

[Red Steel]

The House of Representatives resolution for Hawaii’s 50th Anniversary of Statehood contains reference to Hawaii being the birthplace of Barack Obama. That resolution passed the House by a vote of 393-0. Game, set, and Match.

Totally meaningless. Non-binding not worth arguing about since it is full of fluff; a totally feeeeeeel good for and from the Hawaiian hippie - yippie Neil Abercrombie.

Lets take a look of what the meaningless and non-binding resolution says:

"(1) the first Native Hawaiian to serve in Congress, Prince Jonah Kuhio Kalaniana‘ole;"

Wow the first native.

"(2) the first Asian-American to serve in the Senate, Hiram Fong;"

Oh wow, the first Asian.

"(3) the first woman of color to serve in Congress, Patsy T. Mink;"

Wow again!! the first color women!

"(4) the first Native Hawaiian to serve in the Senate, Daniel Kahikina Akaka; and"

Another wow! The first native!!

"(5) the first Japanese-American to serve in the Senate, Daniel Ken Inouye;"

I can't take these wows anymore... - WOW! The first Nippon-American!

But there's more!

"Whereas Kilauea ranks among the most active volcanoes on Earth;"

Kilauea, it does have many lava flows that National Geographic can film!

Whereas Hawaii has produced musical legends ranging from traditional favorites such as Alfred Apaka, Don Ho, and Genoa Keawe, to Hawaii renaissance performers such as Eddie Kamae, Raymond Kane, Gabby Pahinui, Israel Kamakawiwo‘ole, the Brothers Cazimero, and the Beamer Brothers, and continuing on to contemporary stars such as Keali‘i Reichel, Ledward Kaapana, Jake Shimabukuro, and Raiatea Helm;

I've always liked Don Ho! He's the man singing ballads!!! Go Don Ho!

Game, set, and Match.

Don't you wish. Obama needed a resolution to be born in Hawaii? Hey, here's an idea. How about Obama show his real Birth Certificate instead of hiding like a girl behind laws where he violates the intent and a silly resolution written by his wacko buddy.

[Red Steel]

A month AFTER the Politifact article in the St. Petersburg Times, Okubo reaffirms her position on Obama’s COLB. Her statements are toward the end of the article:

Suuuuuuuuuure she does.....Your link does not work... If that's in reference about of the statement from the Chicago Swamp Blog, it's total BS. The author of that silly story played word game that was taken apart a million times. You are not only the cut and paste boy you also love to regurgitate the blather that was blasted and debunked long ago.

It is Janice Okubo’s office that has put an Obama COLB FAQ on the web. If she has “backtracked” it sure doesn’t show in the FAQ.

We know Hawaii says they have something on record about Obama but we don't know what it is. The issue here is Obama's COLB that was published online was never confirmed to be real or represent the facts about Obama birth records by the State of Hawaii. The dang thing is highly likely to be a forgery. ...Ding dong is anyone home?

[AuH2ORepublican]

Thank you.

I read up a bit about it, and it appears to be another forgery: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=108005

Given that Lucas Smith agreed to sign an affidavit and everything, I assume that he got scammed and was given a forgery.

We have to keep in mind that if Obama was born in Kenya, it’s very possible that the original birth certificate is no longer in a hospital in Mombasa.

We need to see the long-form birth certificate from Hawaii. If it states that Obama was born at home or something and that his mother took him to get his birth registered several days later, then we know that there’s a good chance that the Kenyan-birth story is true.

[Man50D]

I read up a bit about it, and it appears to be another forgery:

I wouldn't put too much stock in this article. WND contradicts itself with another report confirming BO/BS was in fact born in Mombasa Kenya per confirmation by his grandmother. Democrat: Obama's grandma confirms Kenyan birth.

[danamco]

Please explain to us the difference???

[AuH2ORepublican]

It is by no means contradictory to (i) say that Obama was born in Kenya because his step-grandmother said in an interview that she remembers when Obama was born in Mombasa while (ii) affirming that the birth certificate provided by Smith is a forgery because birth certificates issued in Mombasa in 1961 looked nothing like that.

[danamco]

You still are tap-dancing regarding his post and thereby using the changing subject tactics!!!

Well consuming too much of this stuff often skew the objectivity???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilsener

[jamese777]

A month AFTER the Politifact article in the St. Petersburg Times, Okubo reaffirms her position on Obama’s COLB. Her statements are toward the end of the article:
Suuuuuuuuuure she does.....Your link does not work... If that’s in reference about of the statement from the Chicago Swamp Blog, it’s total BS. The author of that silly story played word game that was taken apart a million times. You are not only the cut and paste boy you also love to regurgitate the blather that was blasted and debunked long ago.

It is Janice Okubo’s office that has put an Obama COLB FAQ on the web. If she has “backtracked” it sure doesn’t show in the FAQ.

We know Hawaii says they have something on record about Obama but we don’t know what it is. The issue here is Obama’s COLB that was published online was never confirmed to be real or represent the facts about Obama birth records by the State of Hawaii. The dang thing is highly likely to be a forgery. ...Ding dong is anyone home?

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If the Daily Kos or Fight the Smears COLBs are forged or fraudulent then let any prosecuting attorney in the nation launch a criminal probe. Subpoena the original long form birth certificate and do a comparison with expert testimony taken under oath. I’m a bit surprised that no one has attempted that in the two years that this issue has been in the public eye.

[jamese777]

The non-binding resolution was a political victory for Neil Abercrombie who is running for Governor. He got Republicans to go on the record, the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, endorsing the language that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and not one single member of the House is on record opposing that language.

[jamese777]

Sorry, but this doesn’t mean a damn thing. Obama signed a resolution for John McCain that acknowledges criteria for natural born citizenship that Obama fails to meet. Yes, he won a resounding victory over McCain, but he’s also managed to figure out a way to marginalize public opposition to his birth claims with namecalling like “birthers” or worse, calling people racist for questioning his citizenship. Where’s the transparency he pledged??

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Obama hasn’t “marginalized” public opinion. The state of Hawaii has heavily influenced public opinion by declaring Barack Obama to be born in Honolulu and declaring that he is a “natural born American citizen.” That did the trick for a majority of people who had any interest in this issue but of course not all people, hence “the birthers.”

Any US Senator along with any one US Congressman or woman could have challenged certifying Obama’s Electoral College votes when they were being counted and certified by Vice President Cheney at the joint Session of Congress. Both Houses of Congress would have been required to investigate the objections to certification. No Senator and no member of the House objected (in writing) to certifying Obama’s Electoral votes, therefore he was declared duly elected and he was sworn in by the Chief Justice two weeks later.

[EnderWiggins]

"Real journalists try to find the best evidence and verification."

Only for genuine controversies. For fabricated controversies that have no evidence in their favor, journalists are reasonable people and understand exactly when the evidence they have is good enough to draw a conclusion and then move one.

" Since his files have all been closed, by him, real journalist would keep probing."

There is no evidence that a single "file" has been "closed, by him."

Obama's "files" are protected by laws that preceded his rise to the Presidency, that have nothing to do with him personally, and that also protect your privacy and mine. He has not had to raise a finger or pay a penny in any venue to "close" anything. He has shown no hesitancy to release otherwise private information completely voluntarily when it made sense to do so, such as his tax returns and even the original COLB. That he does not release other information when it does not make sense to do so is hardly mysterious.

Now... if the tiniest shred of evidence was ever provided by a Birther that indicated there was a real story here, the press would be all over it like white on rice.

Your problem is not that that journalists will not look at your "evidence." It is that they have looked at your evidence and concluded that it is a joke.

[votemout]

You are wasting your time. I am seeking truth and you are nit piking details and making false statements. Obama will not release his records to the public and you say "There is no evidence he has closed his files."

If you don't believe me or the comments by the officials in Hawaii that they can't release without his permission, then pprove me wrong. Get a copy of the records for yourself and experience the "transparency."

Our highest public official has not opened any of his passport, selective service, school, or birth records and perhaps you haven't heard, he is fighting doing so in various courts.

I am seeking the truth by having the information made public. Waht is it you are doing?

[edge919]

Obama hasn’t “marginalized” public opinion. The state of Hawaii has heavily influenced public opinion by declaring Barack Obama to be born in Honolulu and declaring that he is a “natural born American citizen.” That did the trick for a majority of people who had any interest in this issue but of course not all people, hence “the birthers.”

Trick is the appropriate word. The DOH shouldn't have to play 'tricks' on people when they can provide documentary evidence to back up the claims being made (of course, the one claim can definitely not be supported by any DOH document). And you need to focus on honesty instead of labeling people with silly names. It makes faithers look insecure.

Any US Senator along with any one US Congressman or woman could have challenged certifying Obama’s Electoral College votes when they were being counted and certified by Vice President Cheney at the joint Session of Congress.

I don't believe they were given a chance. And again, no senator or congressman wants to take a chance on being branded as a racist or some other silly name when they don't have a majority behind them.

[edge919]

I wouldn’t pat myself on the back over a nonbinding resolution. Besides, Obama’s birth claim was an aside in the resolution.

[EnderWiggins]

"You are wasting your time."

Yes, I am. But that's okay. It's my time.

"I am seeking truth and you are nit piking details and making false statements."

The entire Birther movement is founded on "nit picking details" and "false statements," so the irony in your complaint here is delicious. If your post had contained anything more, then that's what I would have responded to. But it didn't.

"Obama will not release his records to the public and you say 'There is no evidence he has closed his files.'"

Of course. Here let me show you how that works.

I also will not release my records to the public. In order to accomplish that, I do not need to "close" a thing, or call anybody, or submit any paperwork. I just sit back a drink a martini, because the records are already protected by laws that I had nothing to do with.

"If you don't believe me or the comments by the officials in Hawaii that they can't release without his permission, then pprove me wrong. Get a copy of the records for yourself and experience the 'transparency.'"

They can't. And he didn't need to 'close" a thing for that to be true.

"Our highest public official has not opened any of his passport, selective service, school, or birth records and perhaps you haven't heard, he is fighting doing so in various courts."

You are misinformed.

1. He has opened his birth records. He did so when he released his COLB.

2. His selective service records have been publicly available for more than a year already. He did nothing to oppose their release.

3. His passport records and school records are irrelevant to his presidential eligibility since there are no Article II requirements regarding schooling or passports.

4. He has never had to even address the issue of "fighting" the release of these records, since no court has ever asked for them. Instead, he has responded to lawsuits he did not file by having them dismissed in the most efficient, effective and economical way possible.

"I am seeking the truth by having the information made public. Waht is it you are doing?"

I am defending the Constitution of the United States, as per my oath.

[jamese777]

“No guts, no glory.” If the Republican Governor of Hawaii and the Republican Attorney General of Hawaii and Vice President Cheney, John McCain and Sarah Palin plus the entire Republican delegation in Congress are allowing their employees to play tricks and are afraid to take action, whose fault is that?
Vice President Cheney, in his role as President of the Senate chaired the joint session of Congress where written objections to the certification of Obama’s electoral votes could be entertained and where counting and certification of the Electoral votes was the ONLY order of business. Any member of Congress can raise a point of order under the rules of both Houses, none did. A point of order immediately suspends business as usual.
One more time, ANY repeat ANY prosecuting attorney in the nation could launch a criminal probe and subpoena Obama’s birth records.
The only nationally known figure to challenge Obama in court is Alan Keyes and he’s hardly a household name. None of the top conservative law firms or political organizations have joined in any eligibility suit or even filed an amicus brief on behalf of any lawsuit.
The persons most likely to have legal standing to sue Obama because they were directly injured by his election are McCain and Palin. They have not sued or joined in any suit.
The Republican Party deals with Barack Obama as the duly elected president of the United States. They even invited him to their winter retreat and asked no questions about his eligiblity.
Obama is 63-0 in getting legal challenges dismissed, issuing decisions in his favor or rejected by courts all across the nation and at every level of the judicial system including seven rejections at the Supreme Court.
There’s no “there” there.

[jamese777]

I wouldn’t pat myself on the back over a nonbinding resolution. Besides, Obama’s birth claim was an aside in the resolution.

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Its just one small point in the ongoing issue. Representative Neil Abercrombie’s political motive was to force Republicans in the House to go on the record and they did or else they ran and hid. Not one took a stand against the resolution containing reference to Obama’s birthplace.

[Red Steel]

The non-binding resolution was a political victory for Neil Abercrombie who is running for Governor.

A political victory for Abercrombie and the Demorats you say? No one opposed it which supposedly celebrated 50 years of Hawaiian statehood because it doesn't mean anything or change anything in law. Nothing will change the fact to where Obama was born not this or anything else.

He got Republicans to go on the record, the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, endorsing the language that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and not one single member of the House is on record opposing that language.

Answered above. Using the Hawaiian anniversary resolution as a vehicle to state Obama was born in Hawaii is silly, meaningless, worthless, and it did not matter how they voted. It's a big so what. "Victory" only in the minds of the feeble democrat drones.

What would matter if Obama presented his real birth certificate to a court of law for everyone to see; alas, the Dems and rat trolls must be a bunch imbeciles defending a $12 dollar birth certificate that Obama refuses to submit to a controlling authority.