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Another new twist in birth certificate story: Hawaii "paper copy was destroyed in a fire"
World Net Daily ^ | March 2, 2010 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 03/03/2010 2:11:25 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The Hawaii Department of Health claims to have an original copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate, right?

In fact, it is this established "fact" that has persuaded so many people there is nothing to the question of eligibility.

After all, an official in Hawaii has made a public pronouncement that she has inspected the document and declared on her own authority that Obama is a "natural born American" and thus eligible to serve as president.

For many Americans, that settles the question.

However, now a new version of the story is emerging.

The United Kingdom's Sky News reported Saturday: "Authorities in Hawaii have provided an electronic record of Obama's birth because the paper copy was destroyed in a fire which wiped out much of the state's archives."

Which is it?

Does Hawaii actually have an original long-form, paper birth certificate for Obama, or was it destroyed in a fire?

It seems the story is ever-changing.

And that's why it's time for Obama to come clean.

There is little question the heavily Democratic state of Hawaii has no interest in providing any information that would disqualify the first president claiming to be from that state.

If indeed the state has a copy of the original birth certificate, as Director of Health Dr. Chiyome Fukino claims, it should be no problem for Obama to give her permission to release it publicly – and, once and for all, settle the controversy that has resulted in that state being inundated with inquiries from curious American citizens.

Fukino has released two public statements on this matter.(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


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KEYWORDS: bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; usurper
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To: DJ MacWoW
"HE said he was born in a hospital."

And yet, the Constitution has not changed as a result.

"Georges parents became US citizens."

Uhh... no they didn't, or at least his dad didn't. His father Augustine died in 1743, 33 years before the United States declared independence. His mother (Mary Ball) lived until 1789.
281 posted on 03/04/2010 11:45:39 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: jamese777

Show me where she verified the COLB.


282 posted on 03/04/2010 11:45:55 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

The state of Hawaii has confirmed Obama’s birth records.
Show me where ANY of them verify the COLB on Factcheck.

Have a busy day!


Thank goodness for “google”!
It took all of about 30 seconds to meet your challenge! Factcheck quotes Hawaii Department of Health officials extensively in their analysis and their photos of Obama’s COLB from every possible angle and front and back were very nice!
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


283 posted on 03/04/2010 11:52:38 AM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Nowhere does anyone from Hawaii say that the COLB on Factcheck is genuine. Nowhere.

Show me a statement by Hawaiian officials declaring the COLB is valid.

284 posted on 03/04/2010 11:58:40 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Show me where she verified the COLB.


Well, its a different “she” but the Director of Communications for the Hawaii Department of Health, Janice Okubo verified the COLB that the St. Petersburg Times’ investigative unit “Politifact” sent to her. The direct quote is “its a valid Hawaii birth certificate.”
Read for yourself here:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

And here’s the direct quote: “When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.

“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.”


285 posted on 03/04/2010 11:59:05 AM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
So all you have is 2 lefty sites making claims but no direct statement from Hawaii's DOH? Oh and Factcheck claims Fukino said Bam was born in Honolulu. No. She didn't. Look at the statement that you posted. Neither of the statements made have mentioned Honolulu. And you believe them?

Have a nice day.

286 posted on 03/04/2010 12:06:41 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Now that’s what I call furious backpedaling!!!

LOL


287 posted on 03/04/2010 12:09:03 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: DJ MacWoW

So all you have is 2 lefty sites making claims but no direct statement from Hawaii’s DOH? Oh and Factcheck claims Fukino said Bam was born in Honolulu. No. She didn’t. Look at the statement that you posted. Neither of the statements made have mentioned Honolulu. And you believe them?
Have a nice day.


Dr. Fukino said that Obama was born in Hawaii. Obama’s COLB says that he was born in Honolulu. The last time I looked, Honolulu is still in Hawaii...ergo....
Stop trying to parse words, it just makes you look silly and desperate to win a debating point.


288 posted on 03/04/2010 12:13:54 PM PST by jamese777
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To: DJ MacWoW

So all you have is 2 lefty sites making claims but no direct statement from Hawaii’s DOH? Oh and Factcheck claims Fukino said Bam was born in Honolulu. No. She didn’t. Look at the statement that you posted. Neither of the statements made have mentioned Honolulu. And you believe them?
Have a nice day.


It was YOU who first referenced “lefty” web site Factcheck, not me.
Here’s what YOU said: “Show me where ANY of them verify the COLB on Factcheck.

Have a busy day!”

The St. Petersburg Times is not a “lefty” newspaper and not a “lefty” web site.


289 posted on 03/04/2010 2:58:18 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Where on the Hawaiian DOH website is there verification of the COLB. Nowhere.

“Show me where ANY of them verify the COLB on Factcheck.

All you have is a lefty Politico site making claims. There is NO official verification.

290 posted on 03/04/2010 3:06:08 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: jamese777

It’s pretty limited evidence since it doesn’t say where the baby was born.


291 posted on 03/04/2010 3:26:11 PM PST by edge919
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To: jamese777

Sorry, but there are severe problems with the so-called confirmation. She failed to specify which vital record allegedly verified Obama’s birth in Hawaii. Since it’s not on the original birth certificate, there’s no way to determine how reliable the statement is. Second, there are no vital records maintained by the HI DOH that declare ANYONE to be a “natural born American citizen” ... IOW, her credibility is undermined by an outright false statement. We don’t know where Obama was born. Nobody has officially confirmed it.


292 posted on 03/04/2010 3:29:42 PM PST by edge919
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To: jamese777

Later when pressed to explain the lack of a state seal or registrar’s signature, Okubo had to back off her statement, saying she couldn’t say for sure what the jpg of the alleged COLB represented.


293 posted on 03/04/2010 3:31:17 PM PST by edge919
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To: edge919

Sorry, but there are severe problems with the so-called confirmation. She failed to specify which vital record allegedly verified Obama’s birth in Hawaii. Since it’s not on the original birth certificate, there’s no way to determine how reliable the statement is. Second, there are no vital records maintained by the HI DOH that declare ANYONE to be a “natural born American citizen” ... IOW, her credibility is undermined by an outright false statement. We don’t know where Obama was born. Nobody has officially confirmed it.


Please read the State of Hawaii’s FAQ on Obama’s birth certificate. It clearly states in the Index data that the record in question is a birth record.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html


294 posted on 03/04/2010 3:33:21 PM PST by jamese777
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To: edge919

It’s pretty limited evidence since it doesn’t say where the baby was born.


Honolulu is a place.


295 posted on 03/04/2010 3:34:21 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
The St. Petersburg Times is not a “lefty” newspaper and not a “lefty” web site.

Hard to tell if they are lefties, but they are seriously incompetent when it comes to fact-checking. Okubo admitted she couldn't confirm that the alleged COLB was real. Her only standard for authentification was to say it looked like her own birth certificate. That's not exactly a scientific examination nor even a formal government procedure. The Times sent her a jpg, not the hard copy of the document. Yet, despite the non-affirmation of the COLB, the Times simply accepted it as real ... perhaps only on wishful think or misguided faith. Real journalists demand more proof than a jpg and a confused DOH spokesbabe.

296 posted on 03/04/2010 3:35:38 PM PST by edge919
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To: jamese777

It says Obama has a birth record. It doesn’t say what’s on the record other than name or gender. It also fails to say that the alleged COLB is real. What they could do is tell us if the certificate number on the flunkchicks.org certificate is real. So far, they refuse, in spite of having full statutory authority to say so. IOW, the DOH could legally tell the whole truth. For some reason they don’t want to.


297 posted on 03/04/2010 3:38:05 PM PST by edge919
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To: jamese777

Honolulu isn’t listed in the birth announcement.


298 posted on 03/04/2010 3:38:40 PM PST by edge919
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To: edge919
"Real journalists demand more proof than a jpg and a confused DOH spokesbabe."

Actually, no. Birther's demand more proof.

Real journalists can tell when the proof is already good enough.
299 posted on 03/04/2010 3:41:52 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: edge919

Honolulu isn’t listed in the birth announcement.


The local Honolulu newspapers’ birth announcements list the home address of the newborn boy’s parents, Mr and Mrs. Barack Hussein Obama at 6085 Kalananiana’ole Highway. That address is in Honolulu.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

The Certification of Live Birth for Obama also lists the birthplace as City of Honolulu, County of Honolulu, Island of Oahu, state of Hawaii.

“Obama’s Hawaii Boyhood Homes Drawing Gawkers”
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081109/NEWS01/811090361/Obama%5C-s-Hawaii-boyhood-homes-drawing-gawkers


300 posted on 03/04/2010 5:41:31 PM PST by jamese777
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