The Real Conspiracy is the one they won’t talk about

Well, that’s not what you said, is it?

The reason America works is because we are a nation built on laws.

You really are an Obamatron aren’t you. The Hawaians have never given a proper answer, and the Ankeney Judgement is a joke that Leo Donofrio shot to pieces, shame he’s taken his website info down. Still Leo says as follows:

Also, the Chester Arthur analysis in Footnote 16 reeks. This Indiana decision is pure evil. They have rewritten history to make it appear as if the whole world knew Chester Arthur was a British citizen at birth while history records this blog discovered that fact and first published it to the world in December 2008. Before that time, it was not known. The propaganda has spread from the press to the courts.]

The Indiana Court of Appeals in the Arkeny and Kruse case has just issued a lame judicial attempt at defining the “natural born citizen” clause. The errors of fact and law incorporated into the decision serve as a beacon outlining the desperation certain government factions now face. Obviously, the British birth issue is getting on their nerves and this was clearly an attempt to derail further national discussion on this issue. …

Their main argument is to state that citizens are only born or naturalized. That fails to take into account the framers (and other original citizens) who themselves were neither born citizens nor were they naturalized. So the Court proves itself a bit wonky on that point. Still, I certainly do not dispute that today all US citizens are either born or naturalized. But that’s not the point. The necessary evaluation requires consideration of the various types of born citizenship. And on this important issue, the Indiana Court of Appeals has failed.

Born citizens can be broken up into three groups:

1. natural born

2. citizens by statute

3. 14th amendment citizens

- All three classes were born as US citizens, but not all three are the same. Persons born abroad are citizens by federal statute.

- A person born on US soil to alien parents who were domiciled here, according to Wong Kim Ark, is a 14th Amendment citizen.

- Natural born citizens are born on US soil to parents who are citizens.

All of the above are citizens, but each reaches their citizenship through different circumstances.

To be “natural born” is a circumstance of citizenship. It is not a separate level of citizenship. All citizens have equal rights. But naturalized citizens aren’t eligible for the office of President. This is because the natural born citizen clause is a national security measure, not a right of citizenship. The Indiana Court conveniently ignores this point.

Born citizens are not necessarily bestowed with citizenship in the same way. Some require a statute. Some require the 14th Amendment. Some were natural born and their citizenship was self-evident. …

Blogger and attorney Larry Welch goes on to show some of the other oddities of the order:

…Something I uncovered a few months ago that has been overlooked by all of the parties is that the certification filed with Indiana’s Election Division by the DNC and Indiana’s Democratic Party omitted language certifying that Barack Obama was a natural born citizen. That’s not a problem though for Judge Brown, who then went on to offer her constitutional interpretation of what “natural born citizen” means, something our U.S. Supreme Court has never done and something she had no obligation to do since there were already sufficient grounds to affirm Judge Dreyer’s dismissal of the badly flawed lawsuit.

The only thing I believe the plaintiffs got right in their lawsuit was their contention that a “natural born citizen” is a person born within the U.S. to two U.S. citizen parents. Obama’s father was at all times during his life a citizen of Kenya, which at the time of Obama’s birth was a British commonwealth. By virtue of his father’s citizenship, Obama was indisputably a dual citizen at birth. A person owing allegiance to two countries cannot be described as a natural born citizen in my opinion. The fact that Obama says he never affirmed his British citizenship before the age he was legally required to do so is irrelevant. A fact conveniently overlooked in Judge Brown’s decision is that Obama immigrated to Indonesia at age 6 with his mother and became a citizen in that country as well after his step-father adopted him. Sen. John McCain also arguably was not a natural born citizen because he was born in a Panamanian hospital while his father was stationed at a Navy base in the Panama Canal Zone. Both Obama and McCain are U.S. citizens for different reasons, but the term “natural born citizen” is a unique term used in the U.S. Constitution only to define a person’s eligibility to serve as president. …

It is worth noting that of the dozens of cases that have been brought forth over the past year challenging whether Obama is a natural born citizen, this is the only opinion that has been decided on the merits of the claim that he is not a natural born citizen. Every other decision refrained from making any determination on the actual merit; instead, the courts dismissed the complaints for lack of standing on the part of the plaintiffs to bring the constitutional eligibility challenge. There’s a reason other courts failed to reach a conclusion Judge Brown reached in this opinion. It is based upon the long-held rule of constitutional interpretation that a court should refrain from deciding a case on constitutional grounds when the case can be disposed of on other non-constitutional grounds. Procedurally, this case had to be dismissed because the plaintiffs sued the wrong defendant and lacked standing to sue. There was no reason for the court to decide a constitutional question as it did in this case, and that’s what makes it so disturbing. Judge Terry Crone and Melissa May signed on to Judge Brown’s decision. Gov. Mitch Daniels appointed Judge Brown to the Court of Appeals last year. I bet we won’t hear Gov. Daniels complaining about the judicial activism of his own appointees like he did the judges who ruled Indiana’s voter I.D. law unconstitutional.

The truth of all the above can be summed up in the following two points:

The Judiciary has never made a ruling on the definition of natural born citizenship eligibility with respect to the presidency. For any Judge to attempt to opine on the subject, as has been done before when there is no legitimate reason to do so, shows further anecdotal evidence that the Judiciary needs to be restrained;
Since even this Judge won’t touch the fact that Mr. Obama was a British citizen at birth, this bigger issue of his background will continue until the evidence is shown that otherwise contradicts what is already admitted about this man.
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2009/11/16/eligibility-update-ankeny-v-daniels-and-citizenship-sen-frist-on-birthers-kerchner-ad/

I believe that the RNC and DNC at the highest levels in 2008 were both complicit in shutting down all discussion of Obama’s eligibility issue in the Congress, Main Stream Media, Print Press, and in the leading conservative Talk Show radio stations.

So the mainstream media needs to be pressured not to investigate stories that may harm Democratic candidates?

Another day, another definition of natural born citizen...

But its always good to see all the loons together on one thread so we know where you are.

Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals:

Tactic #5. Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.

Yes and Nancy Pelosi is complict in this up to her eyeballs and here’s the proof!

http://creatingorwellianworld-view-alaphiah.blogspot.com/2009/09/pelosi-is-at-center-of-obamas.html

Pelosi, and Howard Dean. Maybe that is the issue. This is built on a house of cards which would bring many people down.

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We should advocate charges of treason and all of the penalties that those charges warrant for everyone involved.

Not only that every judge up to and including the Supreme Court should be tried if this matter came before them and they found a way to dismiss it on a technicality

But who could be behind such a conspiracy...?

Don’t try to kill the messenger!
I simply stated the facts. If you take issue with those facts, that is certainly your prerogative.

My suggested solution to this issue is that conservative Republicans need to put maximum political pressure on the Republican Attorney General of Hawaii, Mark Bennett to convene a Grand Jury investigation for forgery and fraud concerning Obama’s Certification of Live Birth.

It is obvious to me after 62 adjudications with no victories for any plaintiff in any court at any level all the way to the US Supreme Court that the civil suit legal strategy has failed and will not succeed. Donofrio v Wells is one of the seven lawsuits to make it to conference at the Supreme Court and to be rejected for a Writ of Certiorari without comment from the Justices. Since it only takes the concurrence of four Justices to Grant a Writ of Certiorari and hear an appeal before the full court, Donofrio failed to convince Alito, Kennedy, Roberts, Scalia, or Thomas.

I favor a criminal investigation and the utilization of prosecutorial subpoena power to force release of the vault copy, long form vital record. That is allowable under Hawaii statutes. If everything is on the “up and up” then “no harm, no foul.” If forensic experts determine that there is tampering or forgery, then criminal charges can be filed and impeachment proceedings would ensue.

The author believes there is much evidence, I believe.

“The author believes there is much evidence, I believe.”

Which in and of itself just HAS to be evidence of SOMETHING....I believe.

I don’t know, but as the son of US naval officer officially deployed in the service of his country, I’d say McCain is a natural born US citizen. Obama, on the other hand, the Marxist, anti-America, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom son of a Muslim communist from Kenya is probably the kind of person the Founders had in mind to keep out of the presidency.

Sounds like Jim Robinson might be a loon too!

No, you’re definitely an Obot. “62 adjudications with no victories for any plaintiff”. None that consider the matter of Natural Born Citizenship on its merits. That alone tellls us that they don’t want a prper hearing cos they no Obanmbi isn’t NBC. He has admitted his dad was Kenyan for goodness sake. No President since the Founders has openly had a non US citizen parent.

You’re obviously a mental child who resorts to sixth grade playground name calling when you can’t hold up your end of a debate on an intellectual level.

Obviously you don’t have a clue what “adjudication” means.
Here’s a precise legal definition of the term for you: “The legal process of resolving a dispute. The formal giving or pronouncing of a judgment or decree in a court proceeding; also the judgment or decision given. The entry of a decree by a court in respect to the parties in a case. It implies a hearing by a court, after notice, of legal evidence on the factual issue(s) involved. The equivalent of a determination. It indicates that the claims of all the parties thereto have been considered and set at rest.”

When a lawsuit is dismissed or denied a trial hearing for lack of standing, that is an adjudication. And if a judge or justice rules that a lawsuit has no merit, it has been adjudicated as having been dismissed or denied a trial.

If someone were to sue you and the court threw the case out, did you win?

With specific regard to Obama’s eligibility that has now happened 62 times including 7 times at the US Supreme Court which operates under “the rule of four” meaning that it only takes four justices to agree to hear a suit before the full court. Which further means that no Obama eligibility lawsuit has impressed any combination of originalist, strict constructionist Justices Alito, Kennedy, Roberts, Scalia and Thomas enough to grant it a hearing.

The criminal courts are the way to resolve the Obama eligibility issue, not the civil courts. The only legitimate constitutional issue is whether Obama’s COLB is forged, tampered with or fraudulent. Forgery and fraud are criminal matters not civil matters.

I’m done with you now. Recess is over. Go back to class.

. . . . Article and #20. (Site Pests arrived early on this thread. Just ignore 'em.)

[Thanks SeizetheCarp, and danamco.]

The usual after birther Trolls are drawn to this thread like Moths to a flame. What a sorry bunch of treasonous fifth column bastids.

EFF YOU every one. Wait until the OBA Colb is published and revealed. Come to my place y’all, so I can punch each one
of you in the nose, and shoot your dog on the spot.

LOL. And that would be too kind to the likes of you!

If Hawaii actually declared the online COLB for Obama to be real then there is no doubt that they themselves are guilty of the Class B felony of forgery. See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/

If you read the article and documentation I linked to just now you’ll see that Hawaii law actually would have allowed any Secretary of State to see a certified copy of Obama’s original birth certificate.

And the DOH has already indirectly confirmed not only that the Factcheck and FTS COLB’s are forgeries but that they know it and don’t consider themsleves legally able to even report it as a forgery.

So we’re already to the place that criminal charges should be filed but we can’t even find anybody who will touch it. That’s what Obama’s threats to media and the media’s willingness to throw Constitutionalists under the bus on this issue has done.

But I agree with you that the criminal charges route is the only way we’ll see justice done on this. I don’t trust the DC Circuit Court at all on Quo Warranto - not after what the “Magnificent Seven” has been up to!