Posted on 01/03/2010 5:22:45 AM PST by nuconvert
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Mir Hossein Mousavi today released a new statement denouncing the regime’s brutal tactics against the Green Movement ...
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While the statement is quite similar to other statements he has released in the past, several points on closer inspection stand out.
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... Mousavi for the first time actually discounts his own influence and that of Mehdi Karroubi. He admits that even though people asked him to call for protests or at least lend his support, he did not do so in the case of Ashura. He also acknowledges the fact that people came out without him calling them to come out.
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The Green Movement has indeed partially spiraled out of the hands of Karroubi and Mousavi. What this could achieve cannot be easily quantified or qualified, but it is important as the movement will continue to live on even if Mousavi and Karroubi are no longer alive. And Mousavi acknowledges it by saying that he is ready to die alongside other members of the movement, knowing that the movement would continue even with his absence.
But there were three very important new points that I noticed in his speech that I had formerly not seen – or at least not together.
First off, Mousavi openly speaks out against the IRGC. It is no secret that the IRGC has been one the driving forces behind the suppression of peaceful protesters and the main source of Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s power. Along the Basij – which falls under its command – they have been responsible for most of the bloodshed on the streets of Iran during protests. He ridicules the IRGC, possibly sending a message to his supporters that they can now openly denounce the IRGC as well as Basij.
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Mousavi : “Assume that, with all the arrests, brutalities, threats, and shutting the mouths of newspapers and media, you can silence people for a few days. How do you solve the change in people’s view of the establishment? How do you rectify the lack of legitimacy? How do you change the stunned and blaming views of all people of the world over all this brutality of a government against its own people? What do you do with the problems of the country’s economy and living conditions that are getting worse because of extreme weakness of the administration? With what backing of expertise, national unity and effective foreign policy, can you alleviate the shadow of more UN resolutions and international attempts to win more points against our country and our nation?”
He also puts the blame of protesters and Friday prayer Imams calling for the killing of Mousavi and Karroubi on the government:
“I clearly and bluntly say that the order of execution, murder, or imprisonment of Karoubi, Mousavi and figures like us will not solve the problem. The announcements made this Wednesday in Enghelab Square (central Tehran) and before that during the last Friday prayer by some figures affiliated with the establishment will make the consequence of any terrorist act the direct liability of the center [of the establishment] and will make the problem of the current crisis unsolvable.”
Thirdly, and perhaps the most important of all the points in his new statement is the fact that he acknowledges protesters taking action against security forces during the protests. He also puts the blame for violence against security forces on the government. However, it is important to note that he neither endorses these actions, nor asks for further actions in future protests. He also notes that people were also compassionate to security forces and tried to save them from other more angry protesters. I believe it is important because Mousavi continues to wish for a peaceful political resolution and does not wish the government to be violently overthrown:
“Watching the shocking footage of Ashura shows that if sometimes slogans and actions moved toward unacceptable radicalism, it is because of throwing innocent people off bridges and heights, shooting them, running them over by cars and assassinations. It is interesting that in some of this footage, people were seeing their [religious] brothers behind the faces of the oppressive police and Basij forces, and in that critical situation and on that deafening and hateful day they were trying to protect them from any harm. If the state-run television and radio had the slightest bit of fairness,to calm the atmosphere and bring people closer together, it would have shown a little of these scenes. But no way! The progress of events after Ashura and the extent of arrests and other Government actions show that the authorities are repeating the same past mistakes this time in a greater scale and think that the policy of terror is their only solution.”
Mousavi for the first time actually discounts his own influence and that of Mehdi Karroubi. He admits that even though people asked him to call for protests or at least lend his support, he did not do so in the case of Ashura. He also acknowledges the fact that people came out without him calling them to come out... The Green Movement has indeed partially spiraled out of the hands of Karroubi and Mousavi... acknowledges it by saying that he is ready to die alongside other members of the movement, knowing that the movement would continue even with his absence... Mousavi openly speaks out against the IRGC. It is no secret that the IRGC has been one the driving forces behind the suppression of peaceful protesters and the main source of Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's power. Along the Basij -- which falls under its command -- they have been responsible for most of the bloodshed on the streets of Iran during protests. He ridicules the IRGC, possibly sending a message to his supporters that they can now openly denounce the IRGC as well as Basij.Thanks nuconvert.
Considerations for this statement:
1. Moussavi and Karroubi do NOT want a regime change, they want a managment change. Moussavi, Karroubi, Khatami and opposition financier (like Soros in the USA) is Rafsanjani.
They are all at risk if the regime changes, so are back-pedalling, now that the change from Khamenei and Ahmadi-Nejad has become an anti-Mullah regime movement.
Moussavi, former regime founder Khomeini Prime Minister and in office when thousands were murdered at the regime’s orders -
Karroubi twice speaker of the Majliss (”parliament”) -
Khatami, twice Islamic Regime President, ineffectual reformer who brought students into the streeets in support and the let them be claughtered -
Rafsanjani, former Regime President, known for using hit squads to assassinate dissidents who had managed to flee Iran -
cannot disassociate themselves from regime blood letting and suppression of freedoms.
2. With the attack by the regime on ayatollah Dastghayb in Isfahan, burning his office, stoning the mosque at which he “preaches”, the cleric on cleric conflict coming into the open also puts the opposition “icons” in danger of being next:
a) by the regime
b) by anti-regime hardliners.
3. Increasingly pronounced reports of the regime intending to arrest Moussavi and Karroubi, forcing the former to ingest a cyanide pill to murder him while in custody and putting Karroubi on trial also enters into this statement almost as an appeal not to carry this out as “it would serve no purpose”.
Groundwork to areest and execute afsanjani, still too powerful to touch with impunity has been laid by “defrocking” him as an ayatollah and removing the only obstacle to hanging him. (Supposing they obey the law ina self-serving way when the Islamic regime falls)
4. Discrediting the IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps) serves two purposes:
a) Weakening the strength of Khamenei, Ahmadi-Nejad and IRGC top officers (lower echelons seem to be gradually swinging over to supporting the opposition
b) Getting on the right side of the issue when the IRGC receives (some have arrived, the rest on their way) huge, Chinese crowd control trucks (photos on the Internet) which apart from the usual various gases, boiling water, freezing water that can be poured onto crowds from large tanks on the vehicles ALSO deployees an almost indelible red dye.
This will mark and identify them when they show up at work. To be fired or arrested. The dye stays fast for weeks or months. Also ruins clothes which in a generally impoverished populace is a major consideration, speically shoes.
Perhaps the Green movement will become a “red” movement where people will wear red stained clothes and skin as a badge of honor. Hopefully not Communist red.
Alan (at AntiMullah) got asked about the “red gas” in the trucks and initially thought it was red pepper (caparcecin) but then tracked it down to red dye.
These are multi-option vehicles so it’s hard to try to cover all their options/capabilities.
I’m sure everyone can think of other points along the lines above.
Considerations for this statement:
1. Moussavi and Karroubi do NOT want a regime change, they want a managment change. Moussavi, Karroubi, Khatami and opposition financier (like Soros in the USA) is Rafsanjani.
They are all at risk if the regime changes, so are back-pedalling, now that the change from Khamenei and Ahmadi-Nejad has become an anti-Mullah regime movement.
Moussavi, former regime founder Khomeini Prime Minister and in office when thousands were murdered at the regime’s orders -
Karroubi twice speaker of the Majliss (”parliament”) -
Khatami, twice Islamic Regime President, ineffectual reformer who brought students into the streeets in support and the let them be claughtered -
Rafsanjani, former Regime President, known for using hit squads to assassinate dissidents who had managed to flee Iran -
cannot disassociate themselves from regime blood letting and suppression of freedoms.
2. With the attack by the regime on ayatollah Dastghayb in Isfahan, burning his office, stoning the mosque at which he “preaches”, the cleric on cleric conflict coming into the open also puts the opposition “icons” in danger of being next:
a) by the regime
b) by anti-regime hardliners.
3. Increasingly pronounced reports of the regime intending to arrest Moussavi and Karroubi, forcing the former to ingest a cyanide pill to murder him while in custody and putting Karroubi on trial also enters into this statement almost as an appeal not to carry this out as “it would serve no purpose”.
Groundwork to areest and execute afsanjani, still too powerful to touch with impunity has been laid by “defrocking” him as an ayatollah and removing the only obstacle to hanging him. (Supposing they obey the law ina self-serving way when the Islamic regime falls)
4. Discrediting the IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps) serves two purposes:
a) Weakening the strength of Khamenei, Ahmadi-Nejad and IRGC top officers (lower echelons seem to be gradually swinging over to supporting the opposition
b) Getting on the right side of the issue when the IRGC receives (some have arrived, the rest on their way) huge, Chinese crowd control trucks (photos on the Internet) which apart from the usual various gases, boiling water, freezing water that can be poured onto crowds from large tanks on the vehicles ALSO deployees an almost indelible red dye.
This will mark and identify them when they show up at work. To be fired or arrested. The dye stays fast for weeks or months. Also ruins clothes which in a generally impoverished populace is a major consideration, speically shoes.
Perhaps the Green movement will become a “red” movement where people will wear red stained clothes and skin as a badge of honor. Hopefully not Communist red.
Alan (at AntiMullah) got asked about the “red gas” in the trucks and initially thought it was red pepper (caparcecin) but then tracked it down to red dye.
These are multi-option vehicles so it’s hard to try to cover all their options/capabilities.
I’m sure everyone can think of other points along the lines above.
Has Rafsanjani been defrocked?
Thanks for the ping!
Demoted. The regime has issued a public notice (which they cannot do as an ayatollah is not a formal position) that Rafsanjani should no longer be referred to as an ayatollah in the Press or official correspondence and only a Hojat-ol-eslam (mid-level cleric).
Clerical titles depend on the number of followers you CLAIM to have and when you think yo have enough prominence you declare yourself an ayatollah.
A Grand Ayatollah requires two ayatollahs to declare that you are their religious mentor or source of religious advice.
Last week Khamenei dclared himself an Imam, on a par with Ayatollah Khomeini, founder of the regime. He is thus the direct emissary of Allah and must be obeyed just as Allah would be. Power play.
Early into this, I think we discussed this, FARS. I wondered how long it would take before the protestors decided that the Ayatollahs and Mullahs were ALL bad for the country.
It looks as if that is happening and I have seen more and more calls for a secular government, not an islamic one. I have even seen statements that islam is NOT a Persian religion and was forced upon them against their will in the heat of the revolution when most people did not understand the ramifications of islam on their country.
Now they know, and they do not like it.
So the wind is shifting. Bless the freedom fighters.
It seems regime infighting is getting serious. I wonder what move Rafsanjani would make by using his vast wealth. With such amount of money, he can certainly bankroll lots of activities.
Even in '79 Islamic Revolution, Half of so-called revolutionaries were die-hard leftwing, until Khomeini purged them all.
Iranian expats are helping to forcing the issue. The young Iranians want freedom, not tyranny. The Mullahs fear this uprising because they see the fervor building just like it did when they came to power swept in by emotion.
Emotions are running very high amongst the young, and their parents who were absent early on back in June are now supporting them.
I don’t think they want a monarchy either. Been there, done that. When the freedom bug bites, freedom will result. These are some very determined people. They have steeled themselves for what is coming, and they will fight.
We could take a lesson or two from these guys and gals, because it looks as though we are gonna need some git in our hitchers ourselves.
That red dye trick will indeed be counterproductive.
People so marked will now have nothing left to lose but to go forward to victory or death.
There is so much we could be doing here but let’s face it, Obama, like all hardcore leftists, instinctively sides with evil.
There is no other logical way of explaining it. Leftists abhor freedom, worship authoritarianism and love bullies. No matter how obscure the issue and how foreign the contenders and how exotic the location, they have a near supernatural ability to side with the baddies.
They’re fighting for us, whether they mean to or not, whether we help them or not.
If the mullahs and IRGC go down, the guts will be ripped out of Jihad, Inc.
No more paymaster for the terrorists, no more arms, propaganda, training, safe haven, etc. Hezbollah, the bastard child will succumb shortly thereafter, to be followed by the Assads. The Taliban will find themselves very much alone in the world, with destiny and momentum against them.
With the perfidious princes to follow as well (eventually).
And with them, the petrodollar-fueled worldwide Wahabi/Salafi/Egyptian Brotherhood-run many-tentacled network of leagues, associations, societies, mosques and madrassahs will wither and die on the vine.
The Indonesians, Malays and Philippine Moros will soon shake off the “Arab disease” and retrieve their original character.
What remains will have to reform and truly serve the Muslim community (the Ummah) rather than terrorize it and boss it around.
Well, a man can dream, can’t he?
Hmmm. What happens when two imams give conflicting orders?
Cut the guy some slack. Since both sides are muslim, the poor bastard can't decide which to support....
Indeed, one can.
You’re forgetting his attempted bullying of tiny Honduras for casting off their would-be caudillo.
It that’s not siding with evil, I don’t know what is.
Thankfully, like all bullies, he took the earliest opportunity to back down when he realized they weren’t going to.
That makes the decision tree:
Will supporting one side
A. weaken AmericaIf so support that side
B. strengthen islam
C. attack Israel
A. Seek to oppress its own peopleIf so support that side
B. Seek to oppress other people
C. Consolidate power into a small elite
If so support that side
Is it difficult to discern which side which side would accomplish the above goals?
If so, ignore, mumble, equivocate and minimize until a clear winner emerges, then loudly assert you were supporting that side all along. Repeat until it is believed...
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