jehovahs witness

[annieup]

FIRST OF ALL THE WITNESSES ARE NOT A CULT. THAT OPINION WAS FORMED BY SOMEONE THAT OBVIOUSLY FEELS THREATNED BY THE TRUTH.IT AMAZES ME THAT WHENEVER A WITNESS DOES SOMETHING WRONG IT MAKES THE FRONT PAGE OF THE NEWS! IF A BABTIST OR PROTESTANT DOES SOMETHING WRONG IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR RELIGION. AND THIS BIG COVER UP GARBAGE IS A JOKE. ADMITTEDLY THEY ARE NOT PERFECT NOR CLAIM TO BE. MATT 24:9 SAYS THAT WE WOULD BE OBJECTS OF HATRED ON ACCOUNT OF HIS NAME. WHAT OTHER RELIGION IS HATED ON ACCOUNT OF HIS NAME? ONLY 1 THAT I CAN THINK OF THE WITNESSES PROUDLY GLORIFY JEHOVAHS NAME. ALSO WE ARE NOT PROGRAMMED. WE HAVE FREE WILL,GOD DOES NOT WANT ROBOTS, THAT IS WHY HE GAVE ADAM AND EVE FREE WILL. AND WE DO BELIEVE IN JESUS. HE IS GODS SON AND HE DID GIVE HIS LIFE FOR OUR SINS. I ALSO GET A KICK OUT OF THOSE WHO TELL US WHAT WE BELIEVE, ESPECIALLY IF IT ISN'T TRUE. PEOPLE JUST MAKE UP WHAT THEY WANT ABOUT THE WITNESSES AND THE NAIVE ONES BELIEVE IT. IF IT IS TRUE THEN LOOK INTO WHY WE BELIEVE WHAT WE DO. DONT JUST ASSUME TO KNOW EVERYTHING THAT THEY TEACH OR BELLIEVE BASED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S OPINION. TALK ABOUT HAVING A MIND OF YOUR OWN!!

[Elsie]

2 family members who have never met?? Yes, I did find that odd so I questioned it!

That's not hard to do at all!

I probably have some that don't even know of others that EXIST!

[NoGrayZone]

That makes no sense at all.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Why don’t you elaborate on the cultic beliefs
of Jehovah’s Witnesses more fully? Tell us what
else you believe of Jesus Christ.

Do you agree with this statement:

“JW’s believe that Jesus Christ was a perfect man, and that He is a person distinct from God the Father. However, they also teach that before His earthly life, Jesus was a spirit creature, Michael the archangel, who was created by God and became the Messiah at His baptism. According to Jehovah’s Witnesses, Jesus is a mighty one, although not almighty as Jehovah God is. According to John 1:1 in their Bible, The New World Translation, Christ is “a god,” but not “the God.” They teach that Jesus “was and is and always will be beneath Jehovah” and that “Christ and God are not coequal”.

If not, where do you disagree?

[NoGrayZone]

"Pleiades - Jehovah’s Throne From 1881 until 1953 the Watchtower believed that Jehovah resided at the centre of the universe on the star Alcyone in the cluster known as Pleiades. And they knew this because the Great Pyramid in Egypt pointed this out."

Gee, funny how they never taught me that one during my years of Bible study with them. Guess they just forgot.

[Elsie]

To: annieup Annie, don’t let them upset you. I know of no other religion that puts themselves out there, spreading the word of God, KNOWING they will receive the ridicule of man.

Then your 'knowledge' is limited.

ALL Christians KNOW (or should) that they will be opposed!

1Pe 4:12 Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you.

1Pe 4:13 But rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed.

1Pe 4:14 If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.

1Pe 4:15 If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler.

1Pe 4:16 However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.

 

[Travis McGee]

Must be a miracle.

[NoGrayZone]

"I probably have some that don't even know of others that EXIST!".

Okay!

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Gee, funny how they never taught me that one during my years of Bible study with them. Guess they just forgot.”

guess you joined after 1953...

It is noted for the record. Also noted is that you skipped
over the entire post, except for that.

[Elsie]

Mt 10:32 “Everyone, then, that confesses union with me before men, I will also confess union with him before my Father who is in the heavens.”....

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Jehovah's Witnesses read in the foreword of NWT (1984 edition) these comforting words:

"It is a very responsible thing to translate the Holy Scriptures from their original languages of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek into modern speech....The translators of this work, who fear and love the Divine Author of the Holy Scriptures, feel toward Him a special responsibility to transmit his thoughts and declarations as accurately as possible."

So where do the NWT 'translators' get permission to ADD words to Scripture?

[Elsie]

it’sfixednow

[Elsie]

Just wait...

[Elsie]

...the Great Pyramid in Egypt pointed this out."

 

 

 

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Deconstructing Linus: Portrait of a True Believing Pumpkinist as a Young Man

What does the Great Pumpkin offer Linus? Why does Linus spend every Halloween in the pumpkin patch, waiting for the Great Pumpkin to appear? Is it about the toys?

"Each year on Halloween night, the Great Pumpkin rises out of the pumpkin patch that he thinks is the most sincere and flies through the air with his pack of toys for all the good little children in the world."

No. This is about sincerity, a subjective standard by any definition.

I wonder if Linus blames himself every year for not picking the most sincere pumpkin patch for his vigil?

I wonder if other Great Pumpkinists castigate Linus by asserting if he were more in tune with the Spirit of the Great Pumpkin, if he were more prayerful, if he read the Holy Writ of the Great Pumpkin with a greater sincerity, that he could indeed rise to the challenge and, via the Spirit, be lead to choose the most sincere pumpkin patch?

I wonder how many years Linus will feel guilty for this failure and blame himself for receiving no answer no matter how sincere he believes himself to be?

I wonder if Linus ever gets frustrated because there is no objective way to measure sincerity? And if he realizes there is no objective standard for such a thing, I wonder if it ever creeps into his mind that his annual mission is nothing more than mindless busywork?

I wonder, does Linus ever has doubts?

For the time being, however, Linus will put aside his doubts and, perhaps as a means of proving his sincerity, begins to proselyte among his friends for converts. Most shrug him off. But Sally, who has a crush on him, believes Linus and agrees to spend Halloween in Linus’ Pumpkin Patch.

Linus then explains that by using positive language and positive thinking, they may be able to attract the Great Pumpkin to their Patch. He also cautions Sally that negative language and negative thinking will cause the Great Pumpkin to pass them by.

There is no room for doubt when one is a Great Pumpkinist. One should never say if the Great Pumpkin comes but always when the Great Pumpkin comes. "One little slip like that, can cause the Great Pumpkin to pass you by!" It’s hard to imagine a benevolent icon such as the Great Pumpkin punishing TBPs (True Believing Pumkinists) for such a minor infraction, but there you have it.

Sally: The Birth of an Ex-Pumpkinist

Because Sally loves her “sweet baboo” Linus, she sets aside her own Halloween plans of trick-or-treating and a Halloween party in order to spend the evening in the Pumpkin Patch. She converts to Great Pumpkinism because she loves Linus. She respects his opinion. And she wants to make him happy and be supportive. And besides, if it’s really true, WOW! Wouldn’t that be fantastic?

But in the end, the only Being that shows up in the Pumpkin Patch is Snoopy. Linus, believing Snoopy to be the Great Pumpkin, swoons into an ecstatic faint, happy in the knowledge that he has finally deciphered the Great Pumpkin’s standard for sincerity. But, alas, it is a misplaced hope, and when Linus regains consciousness, there is not only no Great Pumpkin there to reward him, there is one upset little girl.

"I was robbed! I spent the whole night waiting for the Great Pumpkin when I could have been out for tricks or treats! Halloween is over and I missed it! You blockhead! You kept me up all night waiting for the Great Pumpkin and all that came was a beagle!"

"I didn't get a chance to go out for tricks or treats! And it was all your fault! I'll sue! What a fool I was. And I could have had candy apples and gum! And cookies and money and all sorts of things! But no, I had to listen to you! You blockhead. What a fool I was. Trick or treats come only once a year. And I missed it by sitting in a pumpkin patch with a blockhead. You owe me restitution!"

Luckily for Sally, she only missed one Halloween. And though she is demanding restitution, because her participation was voluntary, she will never receive said restitution. She’ll simply have to accept the experience as one of life’s absurdities and move on.

However, one can hope that this experience has made Sally a more skeptical person, so that the next time she is presented with such fantastic claims, she’ll perhaps be inclined to do her research before committing any time, money or emotion.

After all, fantastic claims should be supported by fantastic evidence, right?

The question now becomes, has this experience made Linus a skeptic? After yet again not having his Pumpkin Patch recognized as sincere and after having endangered his friendship with Sally, will he continue to believe?

In spite of a complete and utter lack of evidence pointing to the existence of the Great Pumpkin, and a complete and utter lack of the Great Pumpkin’s Promise ever having been fulfilled, Linus is a True Believing Pumpkinist to the core. To even admit the possibility that he may be wrong would be to negate all those years of hard work and sincere belief. Linus simply cannot turn his back on his belief.

So if Linus doesn't become an ex-Pumpkinist, what is his strategy? Well, he’s going to keep on trying, isn't he?

"What do you mean, 'stupid'? Just wait until next year. I'll find a pumpkin patch, and I'll sit in that pumpkin patch and it'll be a sincere pumpkin patch, and the Great Pumpkin will come! Just you wait and see! I'll sit in that pumpkin patch, and I'll see the Great Pumpkin. Just wait until next year!"

 

 

 

 

Oh...Wait... you said PYRAMID!

[NoGrayZone]

"According to John 1:1 in their Bible, The New World Translation, Christ is “a god,” but not “the God.”

Actually, I have the New World Translation right here. This is exactly what John 1:1 states....

In (the) beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God , and the Word was a god....

Now John 1:2-3.....

This one was in (the) beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.

If you have the New World Translation there with you, could you tell me in which Book, chapter and verse, it states they believe Christ was Michael?

[Colofornian]

That is where you are wrong and are passing false witness. Shame on you.

OK, let's run this by you real slow:

Jesus as man:
Christians believe that? (check)
You and I believe that? (check)
JWs believe that? (check)
(So no "false witness...shame on you" there, correct?)

Jesus as Michael the angel:
Christians believe that? (No, though many Christian theologians believe that in some of the Old Testament theophanies the "angel of the Lord" is the pre-incarnate Christ)
JWs believe that? (Yes)
Quote with source for this:
This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael...the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41) Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven—one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus—it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role.
Source: Who is Michael the Archangel?

Jesus as a god?
Christians believe that? (No -- not "a" god -- for that would make "2" gods -- but is THE God from eternity past...though they believe Jesus is NOT the Father -- distinct persons -- they believe Jesus shares the divine nature and is so intimate with the Father they are One in that shared nature)
JWs believe that? (Yes)
Quote: As already noted, Jesus is a god in the sense of being divine, but he is not the Father
Source: Those Who are Called Gods http://watchtower.org/e/20050422/article_03.htm

So, if you ask JWs who the Supreme God is, they'll tell you Jehovah God.
But then if you ask them if they think Jesus is a god, they'll say, "Yes, but He is not Jehovah God."
Well, that means that if Jesus is not the supreme God, but is a god, that he's some sort of a "lesser" or "semi" god. (I expect an apology from you)

[NoGrayZone]

"To: annieup Annie, don’t let them upset you. I know of no other religion that puts themselves out there, spreading the word of God, KNOWING they will receive the ridicule of man.

Then your 'knowledge' is limited.

ALL Christians KNOW (or should) that they will be opposed!

Sorry, but I don't think a "keyboard crusader" suffices.

[ejonesie22]

I am a free thinking individual, hence why I am not a member of an off shoot extra biblical cult.

If the Witness put out lies in their own material, that is on them, not me. As it is I am a first source kind of guy, so that is usually all I have to go on.

Perhaps better editing?

[ejonesie22]

Wow, these guys are almost as much fun as the LDS...

[NoGrayZone]

"guess you joined after 1953..."

If you bothered to read any of my posts, you will see that I had Bible studies with them, for which I am very grateful.

You're going back to 1953?? How about those Catholics?? The Inquisition? Martin Luther? The pervy priests having their way with little boys? I don't see you throwing them under the bus.

Why are you so anti-witness, but not a peep in regards to the catholics?

I know, I'm opening a can of worms here, but if you can "go back in time" to desecrate one religion, then heck, lets put them ALL up for such harsh treatment. Let's see which one would be the last one standing.

[NoGrayZone]

""It is a very responsible thing to translate the Holy Scriptures from their original languages of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek into modern speech....The translators of this work, who fear and love the Divine Author of the Holy Scriptures, feel toward Him a special responsibility to transmit his thoughts and declarations as accurately as possible."

"So where do the NWT 'translators' get permission to ADD words to Scripture?"

Where do you see ADD?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

NGZ,

1. I included it because it demonstrates how wacky the Jehovah’s Witness beliefs are. It is historically accurate.
I STILL notice that you ignore 96% of my post so you could
complain about this...

2. This is a thread about Jehovah’s Witnesses, started by
one of their number. It is not about any other topic. Good
try.

Since revealing this about the cult gets your panties in a twist,
why don’t you go back and pick another of the BIZARRE beliefs
and focus on telling us why it isn’t bizarre?

You do know what the topic of this thread is...?