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To: NoGrayZone
That is where you are wrong and are passing false witness. Shame on you.

OK, let's run this by you real slow:

Jesus as man:
Christians believe that? (check)
You and I believe that? (check)
JWs believe that? (check)
(So no "false witness...shame on you" there, correct?)

Jesus as Michael the angel:
Christians believe that? (No, though many Christian theologians believe that in some of the Old Testament theophanies the "angel of the Lord" is the pre-incarnate Christ)
JWs believe that? (Yes)
Quote with source for this:
This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael...the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41) Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven—one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus—it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role.
Source: Who is Michael the Archangel?

Jesus as a god?
Christians believe that? (No -- not "a" god -- for that would make "2" gods -- but is THE God from eternity past...though they believe Jesus is NOT the Father -- distinct persons -- they believe Jesus shares the divine nature and is so intimate with the Father they are One in that shared nature)
JWs believe that? (Yes)
Quote: As already noted, Jesus is a god in the sense of being divine, but he is not the Father
Source: Those Who are Called Gods http://watchtower.org/e/20050422/article_03.htm

So, if you ask JWs who the Supreme God is, they'll tell you Jehovah God.
But then if you ask them if they think Jesus is a god, they'll say, "Yes, but He is not Jehovah God."
Well, that means that if Jesus is not the supreme God, but is a god, that he's some sort of a "lesser" or "semi" god. (I expect an apology from you)

454 posted on 12/22/2009 5:20:50 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
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To: Colofornian
"JWs believe that? (Yes) "

Wrong...hence the false witness.

"This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael...the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41) Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven—one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus—it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role."

I don't know if you are purposefully leaving scripture out to suit your own needs, but lets take a look at what the Bible states PRIOR to your little "quote"....

Mt 13:36-42...... Then after dismissing the crowds he went into the house. And his disciples came to him and said:"Explain to us the illustration of the weeds in the field". In response he said: "The sower of the fine seed is the Son of man; the field is the world, as for the fine seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; but the weeds are the sons of the wicked one, and the enemy that sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things and the reapers are angels. Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with the fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The Son of man will send forth his angels, and they will collect out from his kingdom all things that cause stumbling and persons who are doing lawlessness, and will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where (their) weeping and the gnashing of (their) teeth will be.

Where on EARTH do you come up with Michael the Arch Angel out of that????

464 posted on 12/22/2009 5:59:08 PM PST by NoGrayZone (SARAH PALIN IS MY CUP OF TEA!)
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