Pending Litigation: Hawaii Confirms That Obama’s Vital Records Have Been Amended.

naturalborncitizen ^ | 9/21/2009 | rxsid

[rxsid]

Pending Litigation: Hawaii Confirms That Obama’s Vital Records Have Been Amended.

I will be assisting one of my readers in filing litigation in Hawaii state circuit court pursuant to her ongoing request for public information denied by Hawaii officials. (Readers of my blog will recognize her as MissTickly aka TerriK.)

Correspondence sent to TerriK by Hawaii officials indicates that President Obama’s vital records have been amended and official records pertaining thereto are maintained by the state of Hawaii.

I will issue a full statement and press release on behalf of TerriK via this blog in the days ahead. This statement will include a complete history of correspondence between TerriK and Hawaii state officials in the Office of Information Practices (OIP) and the Department of Health (DoH).
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STANDING

TerriK has standing to pursue this action under the statute. The UIPA manual states:

“Any person” may make a request for government records under part II, the Freedom of Information section of the UIPA. “Person” is defined broadly to include an individual, government agencies, partnerships and any other legal entities.

Under part II, a government agency generally may not limit access to public records based on who the requester is or the proposed use of the record.

More here: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/pending-litigation-hawaii-confirms-that-obamas-vital-records-have-been-amended/

[RummyChick]

british subject has meant different things at different times.

You say how could they be the same thing? The answer is you haven’t read up on British law because...
Sometimes it has meant the same thing..other times it has not.

Right now, British citizens are not British Subjects. As it stands now, once all british subjects are dead there will be no more British subjects.

I have stated many times that British Law is ridiculously complex and you have to read many things to try to get a grasp on it.

[danamco]

For months people on this site claimed that Obama couldn’t be a citizen if born in Kenya do to residency requirements of Ann and her age.

NOT the same as NBC!!!

[rxsid]

There is none, specifically addressing a question to the court regarding the question of NBC for the purposes of POTUS eligibility.

Which is why I referred to that, up above in #302.

What I'm using to come to that conclusion is a combination of things, including (but not limited to):
1) Citizens are not the same thing as Subjects
2) Law of Nations give a definition for NBC
3) The framers and founder relied on Vattel's work (i.e. Natural Law) for both the Deceleration of Independence & the Constitution
4) John Jay's letter to Washington (the president of the Constitutional Convention) pre-dating the first appearance (in their draft's) of the NBC requirement
5) Someone born with dual citizenship (or more) has allegiance at birth to a foreign government/entity
6)The NBC requirement for POTUS & Commander in Chief of the military, goes "beyond" the "simple" requirement of only citizen for all other government positions referred to in the Constitution
7)The "mindset" of the framers having just won, against most odds, a bloody and costly war, "grandfathered" themselves past the requirement of NBC due to their sacrifice and the fact that the first eligible NBC would not have been possible until 1811.

etc.

[MHGinTN]

How silly. It is obvious that some of the obamanoids are just anti-american fascist commies like their little god, Barry. You don’t have to pay such enemies to do their demigod’s dirty work, but Axelgreasy still feeds them talking points to keep them current in their deceits.

[rxsid]

He would be shown to have been a fraud on so many accounts. Totally amazing!

[rxsid]

Beginning in the summer of 1776, and through 1787...nobody can claim that a British subject was the same thing as an American citizen and therefor when the framers wrote the NBC requirement, what they really were talking about were Natural born subjects.

Well, I supposed the kool-aid drinkers claim that. But I digress.

[RummyChick]

That is not the point. The point is that people were applying the wrong law..and many still are refusing to understand that there is an unwed mother section in that law.

Furthermore, for those that continue to ignore that marriage is important for British citizenship..for pete’s sake..read the
UK border agency site.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/eligibility/children/britishcitizen/borninuk/

Marriage was a determining factor and those that continue to claim otherwise show that they don’t do proper due diligence.

[RummyChick]

There is NONE. That is the point. You may be right in your assessment. You may be wrong in your assessment. The point is there is no definition and it is just a guess.

I prefer the strictest interpretation but I don’t believe that is what would happen in the 21st century.

[null and void]

Imagine if it can be proven that Obama was born in Kenya, and the liberal fight this tooth and nail, and say , well, he WAS conceived in Hawaii, so that makes him a Natural Born Citizen, ... IMHO ? I would not put that past the Liberals to try and say.

Fair's fair. If 0bama's citizenship is based on place of conception, we'll apply that exact same standard uniformly to anchor babies...

[El Gato]

I point out that, per the 14th Amendment and the British Nationality Act of 1948, Obama is a dual national and NOT an NBC - since a dual national DOES NOT owe one allegiance to one country.

Yes but under that theory, if for whatever reason, Junior was not a British National under British law, then you leave us open to having child of a foreign national being "natural born". But if all that matters is that his father was not a citizen, then that problem is avoided.

And the Vattel definition of natural born is "born in the country of parents who are citizens". Rather than "child is dual national at birth".

It's a fine difference, but I think an important one. If Little Kim should suddenly declare all children born in the US to be citizens of the PDRK, would that mean no one could be President? Of course not. Thus foreign law doesn't matter. It doesn't matter wether the "non citizen parent's country says the child is their national or not.

[BP2]

“Law of Nations” is not the law. It's just a book
...
Appealing to someone's book doesn't change that.”

Instead of offering YOUR opinion — or MY opinion — let's look at an Opinion from the SCOTUS ... the folks likely to decide this in the end, anyway ...

The SCOTUS regularly uses ... you know — BOOKS — to define the intent of the Framers in SCOTUS Opinions, especially for Constitutional questions. And the Justices do not reference modern law books using the codification of the 20th century — such as an Immigration Law from 1995 to define 17th Century "terms of art" — rather the definitions, idioms and semantics used BY THE FRAMERS in "founding-era sources" available at the time of the creation of the Constitution — also in BOOKS.

To demonstrate this, here are some highlighted excerpts of the 157-page Opinion where the SCOTUS used BOOKS to define the “right of the people” and “keep and bear arms” in the landmark District of Columbia v. Heller case heard nearly two years ago:

Hint: pay attention to the LAST page — you'll find Vattel referenced there — as the SCOTUS often defers to "The Law of Nations" to establish the Framers' intent in SCOTUS Opinions:

Fully expect that when the SCOTUS understands that the Legislative branch has been UNsuccessful in nearly 30 attempts since the 1870s to define "natural born citizen", the SCOTUS will probably be forced to define it FOR Congress. AND they will use Vattel's definition.

[pissant]

MLO is too busy swiping references and talking points from leftist websites to pay any attention to all that.

[Just A Nobody]

My buddy in grade school was adopted, but they did not change the birth father on his records.

I was adopted at 6. My BC shows my adoptive mom and dad, but my actual city and state of birth, which was far away from where I was adopted. Neither of my parents were ever in the state of my birth.

[Nuc1]

Did I become scum or did the government make me scum?

[pissant]

There is a difference between being given up for adoption, I think, and being adopted by a step parent.

[El Gato]

Indeed it does. Assuming overseas birth, to an unwed mother, he would be a "citizen."

Just as he would be if born in the US. But the question of "natural born" then would need to be decided.

But Barry is exactly the sort of person the NBC provision was intended to eliminate. One with "entanglements" in foreign countries. His obvious attachment to his Kenyan relatives, and to some extent to Indonesia as well, make him a dangerous person to have as Commander in Chief of the US military. Ask the Marines, Soldiers, Airmen and Sailors who are suffering under his "rules of engagement" which likely owe something to the foreign Muslim influences in his life.

[BP2]

I offer research like this not for the hapless trolls ... they're a lost cause anyway and a waste of time.

They're out of steam once they've exhausted their talking points. I'm waiting next for some hapless response invoking the 14th Amendment, Wong Kim Ark or another moronic attempt to re-define a phrase (natural-born Citizen) used in the 17th century. We've smacked those down so many times I've lost count.

RATHER, I offer research such as this for the people who seek the Truth ...
in hopes that it can be used to help convert the 20 percent of American public - i.e., the Independent voters - to throw the corrupt Dems and RINOs out on their arses in 2010!

If we can take Obama and his agenda down along the way - that's even dandier.

[Perchant]

Fully expect that when the SCOTUS understands that the Legislative branch has been UNsuccessful in nearly 30 attempts since the 1870s to define "natural born citizen", the SCOTUS will probably be forced to define it FOR Congress. AND they will use Vattel's definition.

The only way to define natural born citizenship is as Constitutional citizenship. If there was any question as to what that entailed right after the founding, that question was put to rest with the 14th Amendment. A natural born citizen is one born under the full and complete jurisdiction in regards to the soil and not owing allegiance to any other nation by blood.

[LibertyRocks]

Just FYI to all:

If Obama’s adoption was reported in Hawaii that could be the reason for the ‘amended’ certificate. All adopted persons’ certificates are amended and the original is sealed permanently.

Although I don’t know if they could pull that one now that he’s been going around with the name of Barack Obama...

I sincerely hope that’s not the case.

[pissant]

I know. Keep up the good work.