Evolution/Creation Poll

Post Scripts ^ | 9/18/09 | Chuck Ness

[Tom Hawks]

There is a poll question at this site that asks Freepers what we believe in,

1.) Micro-Evolutionary Creationist (God used evolution)
2.) Young Earth Creationist (God did it in 6 days about 6000 years ago)
3.) Intelligent Designer (It may or may not have been by the God of the Bible)
4.) Evolutionist (I accept Darwin's basic theory)

Click here to take the poll

Here's an excerpt from the article.

At a site called Exploring Constitutional Conflicts, I found this description of for each choice in the poll. After some feedback, I have realized how inaccurate my poll is in the questioning, but it it was it is and now that it is in progress I cannot change the wording. I do realize that I should have had an "Other" for a choice and usually I do, but I forgot and maybe I should have had two or three more distinct answers for those who do not quite fit the ones I have.

I only ask that you chose a category that best fits you and maybe leave a comment for me if you would like to give me more information that would help in the future when i take such a poll. Well, here are the descriptions for the poll art hand.

Who is What in the Creation/Evolution Debate
A CREATIONIST:
A creationist is a person who rejects the theory of evolution and believes instead that the each species on earth was put here by a Divine Being. A Creationist might accept "micro-evolution" (changes in the form of a species over time based on natural selection), but rejects the notion that one species can-- over time-- become another species.
Click here to take the poll

[Tom Hawks]

It seems a bit weird in the way it asks but I think we are all smart enough to find a category that fits our belief, I am an Intelligent Design guy myself. and I realize there are those who agree with me but not on every aspect that I do, but it is the only category i would be in.

[mnehring]

Lots and lots and lots of discussion about it here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2342902/posts

[cripplecreek]

The results so far kinda blows the fantasy that all conservatives walk lock step right out of the water.

[Dutchboy88]

There are a number of other categories that simply do not appear on the list. For that reason, I’ll pass.

[Tom Hawks]

I did a search and I didn’t find it listed as being posted. My bad. I would not have posted if it showed up.

[mnehring]

I can’t remember exactly, but I think it is OK as a duplicate if it is over several hours since the last time it was posted. Linking to that thread just saves from having to repeat all the comments.

[jwalsh07]

No category for me. I believe God created the Universe. Evolution can be observed, there is no belief system involved.

It gets more complicated of course but the point is conflating my beliefs with my observations is not something I do.

[naturalman1975]

I posted in the other thread, near its end, but I'll repeat that post here.

I'll willingly say that I'm an evolutionist, but I am not sure how involved I'll get in any debate over the issue. I have the following on the noticeboard in my classroom at school.

From desert cliff and mountaintop we trace the wide design,
Strike-slip fault and overthrust and syn and anticline...
We gaze upon creation where erosion makes it known,
And count the countless aeons in the banding of the stone.
Odd, long-vanished creatures and their tracks & shells are found;
Where truth has left its sketches on the slate below the ground.
The patient stone can speak, if we but listen when it talks.
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the rocks.

There are those who name the stars, who watch the sky by night,
Seeking out the darkest place, to better see the light.
Long ago, when torture broke the remnant of his will,
Galileo recanted, but the Earth is moving still
High above the mountaintops, where only distance bars,
The truth has left its footprints in the dust between the stars.
We may watch and study or may shudder and deny,
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the sky.

By stem and root and branch we trace, by feather, fang and fur,
How the living things that are descend from things that were.
The moss, the kelp, the zebrafish, the very mice and flies,
These tiny, humble, wordless things - how shall they tell us lies?
We are kin to beasts; no other answer can we bring.
The truth has left its fingerprints on every living thing.
Remember, should you have to choose between them in the strife,
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote life.

And we who listen to the stars, or walk the dusty grade
Or break the very atoms down to see how they are made,
Or study cells, or living things, seek truth with open hand.
The profoundest act of worship is to try to understand.
Deep in flower and in flesh, in star and soil and seed,
The truth has left its living word for anyone to read.
So turn and look where best you think the story is unfurled.
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.

[Tom Hawks]

Evolution can be observed, there is no belief system involved.

You have observed something in nature evolve from one known animal to another, besides a caterpillar to a flutterby that is.

[jwalsh07]

Evolution is defined as a change in allele frequency within a gene pool. It happens. Big deal.

[reasonisfaith]

Speciation cannot be duplicated or otherwise observed, a fact which defines it as just an idea Darwin stole from others who wanted it to be true.

What can be observed is the irrational groupthink of mainstream scientists, such as those who fell for the global warming fraud. Without the internet and talk radio, how many more would have been fooled? What does this tell us about the validity of science?

If global warming was that easy to perpetrate, think about what has happened with evolution. Bottom line, we’re not as enlightened as we think.

I say read the Bible.

[Buck W.]

“I say read the Bible.”

Everyone should read the bible; just don’t expect to learn science by doing so.

[Buck W.]

The choices are not exhaustive. One can be an evolutionist and be a Christian or belong to any other faith. Evolution and faith are perfectly compatible.

[Zoe Brain]

Speciation cannot be duplicated or otherwise observed, a fact which defines it as just an idea Darwin stole from others who wanted it to be true.

See Callaghan, C. A. 1987. Instances of observed speciation. The American Biology Teacher. 49:3436. for a contrary view, giving actual examples. Just because you think something is so, and repeatedly state it, doesn't mean it's true. This applies to the Theory of Evolution as well of course. You must look at the evidence, and not be misled by those with a political or religious agenda.

I'm doing my PhD in the field of Genetic Algorithms. It's a bit difficult saying that Evolution can't work, when I use it every day. Evolution alone is quite capable of producing the biological world we see today. Whether it did or not is another matter, and reasonable people can argue about that. Just because something could be true doesn't mean that it is true.

[reasonisfaith]

Surely you can see why I don’t accept “microevolution” as evidence for macroevolution.

Remember—the desire to believe in evolution is a political and religious agenda.

[OneVike]

Remember—the desire to believe in evolution is a political and religious agenda.
You are oh so correct, but you left one out,
it is also a spiritual battle.

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12

Some may say this is part of the religious agenda, but religion in the sense that many see it today is separate from true spirituality.

[simonpaul]

There is no empirical evidence or repeatable laboratory evidence for Darwinian speciation/evolution. That is 100% factual and indisputable. In fact, historical evidence indicates that “Everything spontaneously arose” which correlates with the biblical time line not the darwinian evolutionary timeline.

Darwinian evolution has as much scientific value as Man causing global warming”. Its religious nut bags using Quasi-Science to justify unverifiable claims of the origin of man.

Evolution is the atheist creation story..