Skip to comments.Keyes v Obama Update
Posted on 09/08/2009 1:24:37 PM PDT by pissant
Reports from Gary are starting...He is about 25th in line out of approximately 300 people waiting to get into the courtroom. Almost all spectators are anti-Obama.
Orly Taitz arrived just a few moments ago and the throng applauded.
Lucas Smith is also present. Smith has claimed the Obama birth certificate he has shown on the Internet as real. That remains to be seen. However it is interesting he has joined the proceedings.
8.39 am pst 9/8/09
When court is in session cell phones and camera's will be banned so we will experience a news blackout.
This hearing may last from 30 minutes to a couple of hours. Taitz apparently wishes to include Lucas Smith so that an investigation of his proffered document can be be forensically examined and by which means he came by it.
Justice Carter is expected to throw out the last minute attempt Motion to Dismiss submitted by Obama's counsel late in the afternoon this past Friday. Taitz is also hoping for court approval to depose Sec State Clinton and Sec Defense Gates. Justice Carter may also rule for discovery. This is what we are hoping for, because once discovery is ordered the case is over. Obama would then have to unseal his records and produce.
9.11 am pst 9/8/09
Gary also mentioned there was no visible media turnout for this hearing as in no SatCam Uplink Trucks. The LA Fox Channel was expected to report on this hearing. Perhaps they are awaiting a "courthouse steps" exit interview from the pertinent parties.
Back to you Gary.....
9.26 am pst 9/8/09
Justice Carter noting the packed courtroom and overflow crowd waiting in the hallways has ordered a change to a larger courtroom and has taken a 2 hour recess to accommodate the transfer of officers of the court and spectators.
10.02 am pst 9/8/09
In the meantime read some articles watch our "Burning Down The House" video (rate it I'm curious:)
As far as crowd demographics the estimated age range is 18 to 80
70% Men 30% Women
age 60+ seems to be the majority. About the same mix as an August Town Hall crowd.
Orly Taitz appeared relaxed-- calm cool and collected.
More as I receive it.............
10.30 pst 9/8/09 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
‘age 60+ seems to be the majority. About the same mix as an August Town Hall crowd.’
Angry old people. Public Health care should finish them off, then Gov’t can get down to business. /s
Have you found the criminal penalties for submitting a false affidavit and forged document to a federal court?
It’s good. Thanks.
Getting my popcorn, thanks for the update.
Nope. But they probably are pretty severe. The Lucas kid is either nuts or an Obama plant.
“Orly Taitz arrived just a few moments ago ...
“Lucas Smith is also present. Smith has claimed the Obama birth certificate he has shown on the Internet as real. That remains to be seen. However it is interesting he has joined the proceedings. “
The site pests are here already...
Excellent — and a great big Thank You to Gary and Steve.
Thanks Pissant. This is in the Orange County (CA) Superior court, yes? If the proceedings carry over into tomorrow I will try to get down there and take some pictures and video.
Is this in front of Judge Carter. I hope Orly did some vetting of Lucas Smith.
Lucas is there? My, oh my.
Who is ‘Gary’?
Clearing the Smoke on Obamas Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigators June 10 Report
"The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an original birth certificate on record.
BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before the local registrar of the district.
It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parents signature to a form and mail it in.
In addition, if a claim was made that neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate. (Section 57-8&9)
.... there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.
BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a Delayed Certificate could be filed, which required that a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates, which evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.
The statute provided that the probative value of a delayed or altered certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
In 1955 the secretary of the Territory was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office §338-41 [in 1961]).
In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of original birth certificate. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
In this way state policies and procedures accommodate even children born out of State (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an original birth certificate on record.
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