National Guardsman Stands Behind His Oath

Now--go watch this video, and go visit the site.

Thank you for your service to our country!
I am the wife of a retired Nat’l Guard Chief Master Sgt.
He was in for 26 years. He was called to active duty after 9-11 for 2 full years. During some of that time he was in Kuwait at a forward operating base. I share your concerns now that we have a fascist usurper in office. The rules of engagement are now ridiculous and put our forces at an unfair and unreasonable disadvantage, as is the usurper’s goal. For the first time in my life, I do fear those in The White House, and I do believe they have sinister anti-American values and goals. There are enough of US to see that our Republic survives this current situation. Not only are the troops trained, retired and active, but many of the spouses are also ready for trouble and have had weapons training. Americans will not become slaves to the government. There is a gun behind every blade of grass.

Thank you for your service to our country!

I am not the author, and--unfortunately--I have not had the chance to serve. I don't think I'd be eligible for service given some of my health issues.

I was sent the video and website through a friend.

Thanks for the clarification, and for posting the article.

I grew up a few hours from Kent State University in Ohio, and we all know what happened there.

Does everyone know?

President Nixon announced combat action against the communist enemy who were massing in Cambodia. That touched off mass "anti-war" protests. Imagine protesting against our military's actions against the enemy in Pakistan.

Trouble in town began immediately mostly from a mix of bikers, students, and out-of town youths. Police were able to close the bars and restore order.

The next day May 2nd trouble continued, the mayor declared a state of emergency and asked Ohio Governor James A. Rhodes to send the ONG.

By the time the Guard arrived (10 PM) a campus building was burning. Several Kent firemen and police officers were hit with rocks thrown by a crowd of "protesters." Fire hoses were slashed. The ONG helped make arrests.

Gov. Rhodes said of the crowd. "They're the worst type of people that we harbor in America. I think that we're up against the strongest, well-trained, militant, revolutionary group that has ever assembled in America."

More demonstrations on May 3rd. That night the Guard announced that "a curfew had gone into effect and began forcing the students back to their dorms. Ten Guardsmen were injured and a few students were bayoneted by Guardsmen."

On the 4th authorities could not prevent some students from gathering even though the scheduled protest had been canceled.

Campus patrolman Harold Rice, riding in a National Guard Jeep, "approach[ed] the students to read them an order to disperse or face arrest. The protesters responded by throwing rocks, forcing the Jeep to retreat."

Later Guardsmen did disperse the crowd and many protesters left. The shooting followed that.

I am not trying to justify the shooting.. I am merely saying that the right of assembly does not include burning buildings, throwing rocks at policemen, firemen, et al.

If we wind up doing things like that then we will get a swift response from LEO and the military.

If it ever gets to that point, leave it to the professionals; i.e., LEO and the military.

If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!

That odd Kent State photo always sticks out, ho-hum, we’re out for a stroll ... oh, look honey, a dead dude, and that chick’s freakin’ out for the camera, man! Oh, the ennui. Wanna go get some ice cream?

I’d post it if I had it.

Well it was a college campus and not that many demonstrators were causing the violence.

Others were going about their business. Some accounts claim that about 70 rounds were fired in about 13 seconds. About a third of the Guardsmen fired their weapons, I believe.

Some Guardsmen fired high, some fired into the ground, and some fired at distant targets on campus -- none of those targets were people, I bet. One account said the average distance of those hit was 345 feet.

I suspect that the governor authorized the ammo.

I recall photos showing the Guardsmen carrying W.W.II M-1's and wearing fatigues with W.W.II helmet liners and steel pots. No riot gear protection from the rocks.

My guess is they wanted to scare the rock throwers away. It don't make a lick of sense to shoot someone three hundred feet away when others close by are throwing heavy rocks at you and you have no shield. All you can do is try to scare the hell out of them.

Also, I doubt that the Guard was as well trained as today. Remember, LBJ refused to activate whole units of the Guard for Viet Nam fearing that it would adversely affect getting his "Great Society" through Congress. Of course, LBJ was gone by that time but Nixon didn't change that decision.

Check out the video in Post #1. It really looks like some good news based on some discussions I’ve seen around here.

You may also be interested in this. Check out the video in Post #1.

I have dial-up but I did visit and read "Orders We Will NOT Obey"

Remember Michael New? A search of the site did not find Michael New. Mr. New refused to wear any part of a uniform that was not U.S. Army. His unit was serving as part of a U.N. effort and was required to wear U.N. insignia. He chose courts-martial instead.

I have said often that I worry about the "it all counts towards 30" mentality of some government employees. That includes those who see the wrong but wait until they retire to expose it.

"We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as 'unlawful enemy combatants' or to subject them to trial by military tribunal."

That one leaves offenders to be tried by civilian courts -- but IMO should not exclude helping civilian authorities. Maybe the authors are not old enough to remember the 1960s Marxist-Alinsky hippie street rabble -- but they sure as hell must be aware of radical Muslims who are citizens.

How different -- and better! IMO -- things would be today if the 1960s Marxist-Alinsky hippie street rabble had been destroyed in the 1960s. BTW, for those not old enough to remember, that "movement" was NOT the popular civil rights movement.

How different would things be?

The 1960s Marxist-Alinsky hippie street rabble and their ideological issue (children)-cum-Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party) would not exist.

That ain't name calling. The Sixties Marxist-Alinsky hippie street rabble really have taken over the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party. Under the hail of "neo-con" taunts many Democrats fled the Party.

We would still have two traditional, patriotic political parties.

The one thing I took away from the video was that the purpose was to get the military to think about what they will and will not do when faced with orders that are either illegal or borderline-illegal.

It mentioned some of the actions that happened during/after Katrina that should not have happened because the personnel were not prepared for the orders they received. This movement is an attempt to prepare the military for those types of orders should they arise again.

Not sure if this qualifies for the Libertarian list

RE: "This movement is an attempt to prepare the military for those types of orders should they arise again."

I certainly agree.. but there's a perplexity. Citizens acting to exert their inalienable rights over our inalienable rights reaches a point where the military and LEO have to choose sides -- or the "argument" will be settled in the streets.

I believe that every two-hundred-year-old republic is entitled to at least one patriot-dictator.

I may be naive but I believe that a coordinated military/LEO effort is needed to "clean house" and restore our Constitution. That's far better than the civil war some are discussing.

Though The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012 does not describe conditions today it did describe conditions that loomed almost twenty years ago. To wit, the military faced a future of less military and more civilian duties owing to the failures of civilian government.

Well it happened and it caused a disaster when the military had to go to war without the resources and training needed.

In our case there has to come a point when defending the Constitution and defending against enemies foreign and domestic takes precedence. That cheeky remark that "America ain't no more" is true (but not the "good" thing that the utterer meant) and America needs rescuing.

...I believe that a coordinated military/LEO effort is needed to "clean house" and restore our Constitution.

Perhaps, but your comment that "...the military had to go to war without the resources and training needed." also points to the inability of the military to perform that task with any kind of capability. Any attempt to do so would just degenerate into a Civil War.

I grew up a few hours from Kent State University in Ohio, and we all know what happened there. I feel our leaders know no limits and the potential for that happening again has never been higher.

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Thanks for the link. I love that music. I was issued more than a few of those unit patches.

Thank you for your service! I hope this program gets out to a lot of the service men and women out there.

RE: "Perhaps, but your comment that 'the military had to go to war without the resources and training needed.'"

I was remiss in not making it clear that I was talking about the imaginary military described in the link which I included with my reply.

But even in the real world I agree, there would be much turmoil; but if the Obammunists ever declared martial law once it was established the military could then turn on him and arrest 'em all. Then they could proceed to "clean house."

Afterward there'd be tens of thousands of job openings for university professors, journalists, movie actors and producers, advocacy group managers, TV personalities, . . . . :)

Correctly or incorrectly, the message that America received from the Kent State incident was that "the government is firing on your children, killing your kids!" That combined perfectly with the anti-war message of "the Vietnam war is killing your children". It was successfully waived around as the example that proved the meme that "government is evil".

I grew up around the corner from Kevin Moran Park in Saratoga, CA. Kevin Moran was one of the students who was accidentally shot & killed by police in the Isla Vista riots around UCSB, trying to put out a fire (started by someone else) at the B of A. This happened just before Kent State.

Kent State was not a stand-alone event -- it was just the culmination of a lot of anti-war riots that happened around that same time, where students and faculty on both sides were getting killed and wounded. Kent State was the straw that broke the camel's back.

RE: "Kent State was the straw that broke the camel's back. "

I was in my thirties when those Kent State riots happened. Most of the people I worked with were younger, "we hate Nixon" types. It was not much of a topic of conversation. After years and years of campus and street riots I think both sides expected something like that.

Let me put it in a little context by comparing Pakistan to Cambodia. Our forces "incursion" into Cambodia was just one of many things that sparked Marxist-Alinsky hippie street rabble violence du jour.

What if Pakistan was off limits.. and every report of our forces attacking the enemy in Pakistan sparked thousands of protests against our support of the moderate Muslims of Afghanistan, protesters chanted "god is great" praising the Islamist Taleban, Congressmen rushed to be the first to condemn the "crime," and the MSM went into a frenzy of condemnation?

.. and these riots had been going on for most of the past eight years since 2001.

Would a "Kent State" shooting have that much of an affect?

Back then the Marxist-Alinsky hippie street rabble claims that "the government is firing on your children, killing your kids!" were most likely ignored by most -- except we did know of their bombings and riots.

As for "the straw that broke the camel's back" it probably woke up the casual campus "radical" that these things are for real not just fun and feel good. It may have urged the Nixon Administration to speed action to eliminate the draft. I think that came a couple of years after Kent State.