Skip to comments.Obama, the President of the U.S., Is Currently Also a British Citizen
Posted on 08/16/2009 5:10:06 PM PDT by Vincent Jappi
Assuming that Obama was born in the United States, he was not only born a dual national of the United States and Great Britain, but at present he continues to be such. Some maintain that American law on citizenship cannot be subjected to any foreign law. But such an argument does not resolve the question of Obamas dual nationality, for each nation has the sovereign right to make its own citizenship laws and one nation cannot deny another nation that right. This point can be better understood when we consider that McCain was born in Panama to U.S. citizen parents and U.S. citizenship law declared him a U.S. citizen even though he was born in Panama and Panamanian law may have declared him a citizen of Panama. Neither Panama nor any other nation questioned the United States' right to pass a law that gave McCain U.S. citizenship by descent from his parents even though he was born in Panama. Great Britain, being a sovereign nation, has the same right as does the United States to pass such citizenship laws. Now let us examine the British law that applies to Obama and his father and which makes Obama a British citizen not only at the time of his birth in 1961 but still today.
The British Nationality Act of 1948 provides in pertinent part as follows:
"4. Subject to the provisions of this section, every person born within the United Kingdom and Colonies after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by birth:
Provided that a person shall not be such a citizen by virtue of this section if at the time of his birth (a) his father possesses such immunity from suit and legal process as is accorded to an envoy of a foreign sovereign power accredited to His Majesty, and is not a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies; or (b) his father is an enemy alien and the birth occurs in a place then under occupation by the enemy.
5.(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth ...."
Under the British Nationality Act of 1948, Obama's father became a British citizen under Section 4 by being born on the soil of an English Colony, Kenya. Under Section 5, when Obama was born in 1961 in Hawaii or some other place, he automatically became a British citizen by descent from his father who was a British citizen under Section 4.
Obama has deflected attention to his British citizenship by focusing the publics attention on his former Kenyan citizenship. Notwithstanding what Obama may lead the public to believe, this British citizenship is not a type of citizenship that he has since lost. Moreover, this citizenship did not expire with Obama's 21st birthday nor is it one that had to be registered in any specified period of time.
Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that: 1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963 2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya. [sic] is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall. [sic] if his father becomes. [sic] . . . a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subjection (1). [sic] become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. [sic] 1963. These provisions made Obamas father and Obama citizens of Kenya, respectively. But neither Kenyas independence from Great Britain nor the Kenyan Constitution caused Obama to lose his British citizenship with which he was born. Obama concedes that his citizenship converted from British to Kenyan but he adds that he then lost this Kenyan citizenship when he did not confirm it upon reaching the age of 21. There are no known statements from either Obama or his campaign contending that he eventually lost his British citizenship. Rather, the statements have been that his British citizenship converted to Kenyan citizenship when Kenya obtained its independence from Great Britain in 1963 and that he then lost Kenyan citizenship under the Kenyan constitution and laws when he did not renounce U.S. citizenship at age 21. But since Obama never lost his British citizenship, it does not matter that Obama may have lost his Kenyan citizenship as he contends.
Let us now see how Obama did not lose his British citizenship. The Kenyan Constitution which came into effect in 1963 at Article 97 provides the following:
"97. Dual citizenship
1. A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament."
Hence, while the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults, it allows dual citizenship for children. Kenyas Constitution does, however, specify that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possess citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship, swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya, and in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament. It may be true that Obama did not take any action to preserve his Kenyan citizenship as was required by the Kenyan constitution. But there is no evidence that Obama ever renounced his British citizenship which he originally acquired at his birth under Section 5 of the British Nationality Act of 1948. Whatever his father may have done regarding his Kenyan and/or British citizenship did not affect Obamas British citizenship with which Obama was born. Hence, under the Kenyan Constitution, Obama presumably lost his Kenyan citizenship by not renouncing his U.S. (assuming he was born in the U.S.) and British citizenships, by not taking an oath of allegiance to Kenya, and by not registering his declaration to take up residence in Kenya. But under British law, he did not lose his British citizenship because he never renounced that citizenship.
The fact that Obama still has British citizenship is further supported by the following:
"Under United Kingdom law as it has been since the British Nationality Act, 1948, the acquisition of another nationality by a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies, of whatever age, makes no difference whatever to his status as a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies, and, therefore, he remains a British subject.
Moreover, it is not possible, under United Kingdom law, for the nationality of a child who is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies to be changed by the decision of his parents. Only the child, when he reaches the age of 21, can renounce his citizenship of the United Kingdom and Colonies if he is then in possession of another nationality, but during the child's minority neither the child nor his parents can do anything to forfeit his birthright of British nationality."
Children Bill [Lords], HC Deb 27 June 1958 vol 590 cc743-830.
"It is now the law that all persons born in the United Kingdom or its Colonies, or in countries which were Colonies at the time when they were born, have British nationality whether they are legitimate or illegitimate. . . .
Also, it is part of our law that children of a British male born abroad can have British nationality."
British Nationality, HC Deb 16 July 1963 vol 681 cc341-3.
Additionally, if one examines the British Nationality Act of 1981, there is nothing there which shows that Obama, once having the British citizenship that he acquired by descent from his father at the time of his birth, automatically lost it at age 21. On the other hand, the act contains provisions concerning "declaration of renunciation" at Section 10, 12, and 13. Not that doing so would make Obama an Article II natural born Citizen, there is no evidence that Obama ever filed any "declaration of renunciation" of his British citizenship.
What does this mean? Under the Kenyan Constitution, Obama is presumably no longer a Kenyan citizen because he did not renounce at age 21 his British citizenship and his U.S. citizenship (assuming he was born in the U.S.). Obama is still however a British citizen not only under English common law (in the words of Coke and Blackstone, a natural-born subject of the United Kingdom) but also under British citizenship statutes. Neither Kenya's 1963 constitution nor any statute erased the consequences of the British common law and nationality statutes that were in effect at the time of Obamas and his fathers birth. Obamas continuing British citizenship is further confirmed by English law which provides that persons born in countries which were Colonies at the time when they were born are still British citizens. Hence, Obama continues to be a British citizen despite Kenyas independence and new constitution.
This all leads to the question of how can Obama be an Article II natural born Citizen if he was at birth both a U.S. citizen (assuming he was born in the U.S.) and a British citizen which alone disqualifies him from having that status? But to make matters worse, Obama continues to be a British citizen at a time that he is currently the President of the United States. Can we reasonably conclude that the Founding Fathers, who had just fought a war with Great Britain and who did not want a foreigner to occupy the Office of President, would have allowed a British citizen, who carries that status not only from birth but also to the time he occupies the Office, to be President of the United States and Commander in Chief of its Military? Another question is how can a would-be President and Commander in Chief of the Military with current dual citizenship obtain a security clearance which he would need to access classified U.S. government information needed by him to carry out the sensitive functions of that Office?
Mario Apuzzo, Esq. 185 Gatzmer Avenue Jamesburg NJ 08831 Email: apuzzo [AT] erols.com TEL: 732-521-1900 ~ FAX: 732-521-3906 BLOG: http://puzo1.blogspot.com ####
wow beyond interesting.
Maybe we can make him pay British and U.S. Taxes combined. That’l teach him a lesson.
>>>>> Another question is how can a would-be President and Commander in Chief of the Military with current dual citizenship obtain a security clearance which he would need to access classified U.S. government information needed by him to carry out the sensitive functions of that Office? <<<<
The POTUS does not get or need a security clearance.
All classification authority flows from the Executive.
Mario Apuzzo is the attorney who represents a case against Obumer in N.J.
One cannot be both a natural born citizen and possess dual citizenship. Both parents must be American citizens. In Obama’s book, he states that his father was a Kenyan national. Obama is not eligible for the Presidency.
Thank you for posting. Another good reason why this obamanation needs to be thrown out ASAP
This would probably go to court. Does anyone have compelling evidence that this has been settled by the courts?
I first posted on the “The British Nationality Act of 1948” several months ago. You have gone to greater depth than I in researching this law. Bambi could be toast. WELL DONE!
Correction: If Obama’s father had been a Green Card holder, perment resident of the U.S. and we know Dunham was an American, Obama would have been a NBC. He is NOT!
Isn’t Obama a citizen of Indonesia also?
Didn’t his step-father relinquish Obama’s American citzenship in order for him to go to school there?
Three strikes and your out?
Were not most of the Founding Fathers born British? And to be frank, this is not really a path I would walk down in an open debate with Obama supporters...who would hardly miss this point, and would likely further suggest the Founding Fathers may have been scandalized by Obama's race more than anything else.
There are enough valid objections to Obama, we do not need to muddy the waters with invalid ones.
Concerning Obama and eligibility to be president, he is certainly hiding many of his records. Let's focus on preassuring him to release them and for the media to investigate them, rather than on idol speculations as to what he is hiding. This allows us the advantage of not be marganalized as conspiracy nuts, while at the same time still constructively pursuing the truth of the matter.
Too bad we don’t have real political leaders that will question Obama’s birth (natural born) status!
Let the people and their attorney keep this alive. Obama is a questionable (asterik) President. Just like the dopers in baseball and the Home Run record!
In so far as I can tell, it makes no difference in US Law if another country can claim you as a citizen so long as you refuse to acknowledge it. This developed out of ( I believe) War of 1812 when Britain impressed (kidnapped) Americans claiming that they were British-born. Many countries will RECOGNIZE citizenship based upon ancestry upon petition but that has no legal status here in the US where so many can POTENTIALLY be a citizen(s) of another country.
Wouldn’t the fact that he is still a British citizen disqualify him from being President of the US?
Yeah, didn’t they have a lil thing called the “War of 1812” about that?
We agree that Obama is NOT a natural born citizen, but if one’s father held a Green Card, that would not meet the criteria of a natural born citizen- both parents must be citizens.
“Correction: If Obamas father had been a Green Card holder, perment resident of the U.S. and we know Dunham was an American, Obama would have been a NBC. He is NOT!”
Dr. Orly Taitz storm Israel making a clear case for Obama inelgibility- Obama is a British citizen.
I don’t understand why he was even allowed to be a Senator, actually. He definitely shouldn’t be president.
Does it seem interesting to anyone that ‘NBC’ (natural born citizen) is also the call letters to one of his favorite channels? HA!
Here’s also what I don’t understand. If 0bama goes out because he’s ineligible, does everything he rushed through congress go away (which might be WHY he rushed everything through congress)? And would we get Biden (or would he be ineligible, too?) and/or Pelosi (heaven forbid)? Can we opt for Palin and Bachmann instead, as POTUS/VP? Would we be allowed to vote out Pelosi and Reid, just because they need to be committed so they don’t injure anyone?
For those who didn’t see this:
Michelle Bachmann might run for president in 2012. I think she’s fantastic, but they’ll really beat her up more than Palin. I’m just glad to see more conservatives finally stepping up to the plate.
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