Some people just hate birthers [Vulgar language alert]

I have to admit, I had never heard the term “birther” before. I don’t watch tv much, so I guess that’s why. Dictionary.com doesn’t have a clue what “birther” is either. So, whenever a word is used I don’t know and dictionary.com doesn’t either, I go to urbandictionary.com. They of course have it. According to them, birther has several definitions:

A conspiracy theorist who believes that Barack Obama is ineligible for the Presidency of the United States, based on any number of claims related to his place of birth, birth certificate, favorite birthday, or whether or not he has heard the song Africa by Toto. “Did you know that Barack Obama’s parents concealed the location of his birth because they knew he would grow up to be President? What? Of course it makes sense, I’m a birther!” barack obama president birth conspiracy Brent Elliott, Dec 8, 2008

A racist sore loser who can’t deal with having a black president so they make up absurd conspiracy theories about Barack Obama’s birth certificate. These nutjobs actually believe that there has been a conspiracy going back 48 years to fake Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Apparently they had a crystal ball and knew that this black child (born in the days of segregation) would someday run for President. “Just ignore that racist nutjob foaming at the mouth. He’s a right wing birther conspiracy nut. gop racist bedwetter nazi klansman self-hating-gay, scoobydubious, Jul 16, 2009

A person who believes that Barack Obama has controversy and/or fraud surrounding his birth, though all theories have been either rejected or proved false. The birthers gathered on the steps of the Supreme Court – all 20 of them. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/09/birthers-get-another-lifeline/

A redneck born on American soil in a barn delivered by a drunken veterinarian who also performs abortions. Parents are both American citizens who are usually first cousins if not brother and sister. Birthers fought for their right to marry their cousins. hillbilly redneck birth conspiracy obama by billthecat, Jul 28, 2009

A knuckle dragging gutter culture warrior related to tea bagging citizens who don’t want to pay taxes because they don’t support our troops. “Obama’s parents were so smart they planned 50 years ago to have a baby on foreign land and get him elected into the White House so he can raise taxes to pay for our troops. It’s true I am a tea bagging birther” What were those tea bagging protesters complaining about again? Ohh yay they refuse to accept a black man as president and now have resorted to saying Obama can not be president cause he is an illegal alien. Sounds crazy? No I am just a tea bagging “birther.” teabagging obama birther conspiracy nutjob troop hater knuckle dragging

A term for the frothy liquid mixture formed in the vagina when a baby is born. It is a foul smelling combination of maternal blood, vernix, and meconium (baby poop) that drips down over the mother’s anus during the third stage of labor. It is thought to be a contraction of the words “birth” and “lather.”, “Nurse, would you please wipe that birther off the crack of my patient’s a$$? a$$hole dumbf*ck idiot racistfool by drsteevo, Jul 28, 2009

Jargon term, or buzz word used by mainstream media to discredit, and marginalize the legal battle of Philip Berg, a registered democrat operating out of PA. The term was most recently pegged in an attempt to divide, a bi-partisan investigation into the legitimacy of Barack H Obama’s Presidency. If you don’t like mafia leaders, and respect the rule of law, then you are a birther.

So, after seeing that list of definitions submitted by what has to be respected observers of the United States version of the English language, it’s no wonder Eugene Robinson at RealClearPolitics thinks so lowly of birthers as well. He’s a little more kindly, simply calling them “nutjobs” in his opinion piece entitled “The Berserk Birthers”.

Also beyond the Outer Limits of sanity is CNN anchor Lou Dobbs, who has been giving prime-time exposure to the “birther” lunacy — even while denying that he believes in it. Dobbs’ obsession with the “story” has become an embarrassment to the network, which has tried to position itself as untainted by political bias. CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein has pronounced the story “dead,” but insists that it’s legitimate for Dobbs to examine the alleged controversy, though in fact no controversy exists.

CNN untainted by political bias? Wow! Now THAT’S out there! That’s berserk! That’s something only a nutjob could believe. It gets even better:

Is this an orchestrated campaign to somehow delegitimize Obama’s presidency? Is the fact that he is the first African-American president a factor? Is it that some people can’t or won’t accept that he won the election and serves as commander in chief?

Maybe, maybe not. Trying to analyze the “birther” phenomenon would mean taking it seriously, and taking it seriously would be like arguing about the color of unicorns. About all that can be said is that a bunch of lost, confused and frightened people have decided to seek refuge in conspiratorial make-believe. I hope they’re harmless. And I hope they seek help.

Now, it’s impossible for me to buy for one second CNN ever concerned itself about being unbiased in this last election. I’ve got an entire thread on this blog dedicated to news media political bias, and CNN is all over it. It goes back almost five years of documented cases of bias most usually with documentation proving that bias.

So, here’s the rub I have with this article by Eugene Robinson, if the argument against something neither cites evidence disproving the original argument and uses obviously flawed logic to discredit the original argument, it means the person making the argument really never set out to make any real effort to counter that argument. Monty Python illustrated best in their “taunting Frenchmen” bit on The Holy Grail. Don’t concern yourself with logic, just hurl insults.

And, for Eugene’s enlightenment, the whole birther thing has been kept alive because The White House will not provide a legitimate birth certificate. Now, I carry one in my pocket. It’s not that hard a thing to do. If Obama was the least bit interested in putting this whole birther thing to rest, he would have presented it. As it is, he apparently doesn’t care one way or the other. That’s the boat I’m in. I could care less. But, what I don’t believe in at all is running around hurling insults at people who believe otherwise, either way. Sure, it sounds kinda crazy that some people are making the argument Obama wasn’t born in the United States. But, it sounds even crazier to me that some people think CNN is not politically biased. And, in the big scope of things, which is more realistically dangerous, people of no influence thinking their president was born outside of the United States, or, media people ignoring media bias?

There is a hard copy of which photos were taken and posted. I agree that the hard copy is what matters, but short of mailing a hard copies of his COLB to anyone who questions his birthplace, I don't see what else he could do besides post photos of it.

There is a hard copy of something, but absent a confirmation from the State that it issued that document on that date to Obama with authentication, the online pic or “hard copy” have little value. Apart from needing to provide the original long form, there was no need to mail a hard copy of the short form to anyone, just let multiple media outlets and experts view it, and be compared to hospital records (which are also blocked). Do it all out in the open instead of staging an event behind closed doors with an organization that has a conflict of interest, or better yet submit it to Congress for authentication with full transparency. Obama promised transparency right?

Not presumablely. Definitely. The passport office lays out cystal clear requirments for a birth certificate, and the COLB Obama posted meets all of them.

It's obvious from the context that some short forms are not acceptable because they do not meet the requirements stated in the same paragraph. Duh. .

That’s it? That’s all you have. It doesn’t say that or imply that in any context.

I never said they were. It's obvious from the wording of the state department that any birth certificate, whether short or long form, is good enough provided it meets the specified cretiera, namely, 1)a raised seal, 2) registrar's signature and 3) original document was filed with registrar within a year of birth. .

Again I responded to the comment that short forms were “good enough to prove American birth in any court or government office.” Absent a limiting term, always is implied, and you misunderstood the context.

Are you stupid or are you being deliberately obtuse? Of course a passport doesn't prove American birth. However, if a brith certificate is being used to obtain a passport, then the passport is being granted on the basis of an American birth. Duh. .

Neither. Again I responded to the comment that short forms were “good enough to prove American birth in any court or government office.” A short form abstract based on a potentially fraudulent long form certificate (source document) which cannot be corroborated will not and cannot by its very nature “prove” American birth no more than laundered money proves that it was earned legally.

Also, the State of Hawaii, for example, issues birth certificates to foreign born citizens, and so the issuance of a passport based on a birth certificate does not by rule prove “American birth”, IT PROVES CITIZENSHIP at best.

No, but if someone presents a short form birth certificate, the court accepts it as proof absent evidence of fraud. In other words, if you want to say the short form is not good enough, you have to prove there was fraud.

And no, the court isn't going to grant you access to state vital records (such as the original BC) just because you allege fraud and want to go on a fishing expedition. You have to provide some evidence that there was fraud.

I have yet to see a single birther give any evidence or even any probable cause that there was fraud invovled in the registration of Obama's birth. .

You’re playing the same game all Obots play; hide the source document and demand proof that relies on it, in spite of evidence sufficient to require it. You also negated our legal system and rules of discovery, Castro would be proud, not to mention avoiding my point. In a court proceeding, the original source document would be required as well corroborating records in order to prove authenticity of all documents, as well as natural born status. Short of compelling its release, getting to that proceeding is what is at issue. Tell you what, let’s use the exact same criteria used to release Jack Ryan’s CHILD CUSTODY RECORDS.

Curiosity, you may not really want to know all this but whatever is out there is touched on at this link.

http://www.wnd.com/eligibility

Except the very latest of what is going on with Orly Taitz’s last actions, the other shoe is about to drop.Or a bit later when Judge Carter gets into action. Luckily je is a Marine and Camp Pendelton marines will guard him on their time off.

They look after their own.

I would not have taken you for a Obamabot troll, like some are on FR, who lurk and say nothing most of the time. Not for years at a time but sit and watch till they can attack to suppress any anti-Obama dissent.

Be happy, be well and do read up on the available data. Not only on this sector but on how Obama is destroying our nation.

http://antimullah.com is a good site to visit for what is going on around us.

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