Very Interesting: Who is the Military Loyal to?

notoriouslyconservative.com ^ | 07 31 09 | Notoriously Conservative

[Notoriously Conservative]

From our friends, Mark & Samantha :

A soldier's oath includes "... will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the president of the United States ... "

Now if Birthers can't prove his legitimacy to be the Commander-in-Chief, then I have a serious question. If the domestic enemy is the President due to his policies, czars, affiliations, agenda, etc. (look at the big picture), then would the military's true faith and allegiance be for the American people regardless of the orders of the president of the United States? What if the American people pleaded for the military to help us against this oppression? Where would their loyalties be?

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”

This raises some interesting questions. I would hope that the military would defend the constitution and the American people from any threat, including domestic powers that would seek to defile the constitution. That said, who makes that decision? Who has that power? Could use of that power, lead to abuse of that power? It is a very complicated scenario.

Thanks Mark & Samantha!

[Texas Fossil]

Why not ask the “Oath Keepers” that question.

[DuncanWaring]

Ping.

[joseph20]

Ultimately, we serve the People of the Unites States.

[mosaicwolf]

Unfortunately the military used to be the American People. Since the volunteer concept started and the draft ended in the 1970’s the military is a mercenary force - that is a problem. They are paid by the Government.

[ClearCase_guy]

As a point of interest, the movie "Gods and Generals" opens with Robert E. Lee riding in a carriage to an interview in Washington. There has been some rumblings of discontent, and President Abraham Lincoln (through a cabinet member) is extending an offer to General Lee to lead the federal armies if the need arises. General Lee explains that patriotism, for him, is first and foremost loyalty to his state. That he would not -- could not -- lead an army against a rebellion of other states. He declines the offer.

He then appears before the VA legislature which had not yet made a decision, but at that moment votes to seccede. And the legislature of his state then makes the same offer to Lee. And this time he accepts -- not because he necessarily agrees with the politics, but because he feels compelled to be loyal to his state.

If our soldiers pay attention to the Constitution, we'll be OK.

[mosaicwolf]

As a follow up on my #5 post I think it would be wise to look at the state militias for the reasons you cite.

[AFreeBird]

Um the miltary has always been paid by the government, be they draftee’s or volunteers.

[mountainlion]

All federal employees including the POTUS take similar oaths. Liberals see the words as meaning something else. They used to say it was “Patriotic” to be a dissident when Bush was in office. Now it is not? They will loose it when we throw the bums out.

[BuffaloJack]

They don’t get paid enough to qualify as mercenaries.
Our armed forces are honorable citizens with a sense of patriotism and duty.

[wtc911]

Unfortunately the military used to be the American People. Since the volunteer concept started and the draft ended in the 1970’s the military is a mercenary force - that is a problem. They are paid by the Government.

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You, sir, are an idiot.

[DarthVader]

If our soldiers and generals pay attention to the Consitution they will roar at a tyrannical or out of control government behind closed doors first. If the government ignores their warnings and continues down the wrong path, prepare to see”Hail to the Chief” played to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

[The Sons of Liberty]

Now if Birthers can't prove his legitimacy to be the Commander-in-Chief,

The "Birthers" should not have to prove anything. Baraq Hussein 0bama aka Barry Soetoro should prove that he is eligible.

[theFIRMbss]

Legend has it that
Nixon only resigned when
the military

refused his orders.
But I've never seen reports
of who exactly

would have made that call.
I'd guess the Joint Chiefs of Staff
would decide such things.

[Clemenza]

We didn't have conscription until Abraham Lincoln's presidency. The draft ended with the Civil War, but was brought back with WWI and then WWII. The only PEACETIME draft we ever had in this country was in the early Cold War.

BTW: Would you rather professional soldiers are some fool who DOESN'T WANT TO BE THERE?

The founding fathers were against conscription for a very good reason. Serving in the military is an honor, but should NEVER be coerced. In short, the draft is UN-American.

[Jeff Head]

Those who took the oath decide...either individually, or as a group.

OATH KEEPERS - GUARDIANS OF THE REPUBLIC

[stuartcr]

I think many look for the burden of proof to be on the accusers.

[Notoriously Conservative]

Does the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have the power to not obey Obama’s orders?

[bgill]

I think the proof has been answered by Zero himself. He was on the Senate committe of 5 RATS, 1 Republican, and addressed by 1 former federal judge and current head of Homeland Security came to the “common sense” conclusion that the definition of “natural born citizen” is one having parents who are US citizens. That’s praents with an “s” as in both parents must be US citizens.

Zero has stated his father is O Sr. and that he was a Kenyan. His bio books say his father is O Sr. and that he was a Kenyan. The COLB he claims is true shows his father is O Sr. and that he is African. If that’s his story and he’s sticking to it, then he is not eligible.

http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html

[bgill]

The government pay comes from the people’s tax dollars. Loyalty should be to the people.