Posted on 07/29/2009 9:46:00 AM PDT by fiscon1
I never really worried about the so called controversy of th birth of President Obama because I am no fan of conspiracy theories. In order to believe that President Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, you not only have to believe that a conspiracy is being created involving an entire state's bureaucratic apparatus, but you also have to believe that President Obama has been lying, or lied to, since he was a child. After all, he's maintained he was born in Hawaii since he was a kid. Either he was claiming this lie long before he wanted to be president, or his entire family lied to him about his place of birth.
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I’m surprised someone here still believes that Obama doesn’t have an official short-form birth certificate from Hawaii.
I would think that after the events of the past week, we could at least have gotten past that one.
I THOUGHT the argument now was whether the original documents in the archive in Hawaii actually showed he was born in Kenya, not that the state of Hawaii had never issued a COLB for Obama. In order to believe there is no HI-issued COLB, you’d have to believe that multiple people in the HI government are lying, including the Republican Governor.
The issue is no longer whether the first image files circulating on the internet were valid copies of a legal COLB.
I do not have a conspiracy theory. I do not have anything but questions...from what I can see they are legitimate questions.
The questions arise from the actions of the President.
Why fight in court for something that is so simple?
If the long form BC is embarrassing and he doesn’t want it exposed he chose the wrong line of work
Sorry you wasted your time joining just to offer a partial truth which if left hanging is misleading. If a child is born to an American female, outside of American soil, in 1961 she had to meet certain specific factors in order to ‘convey to her child American citizenship.’ That’s not in the Constitution, it’s in the Congressionally drawn up Naturalization and citizenship laws.
The Democrats acted on this so nobody would dare question the Bamster’s eligibility.
Obama has a passport issued by the United States. That means the government beauracracy has decided he is a citizen. So it isn’t a matter of him having no proof of ID; the question is whether he was actually born in Hawaii, or if someone managed to falsify the records in Hawaii to make it look like he was born there.
I read a book about 15 years ago that taught (and encouraged) the reader on how to trace back family history to reveal family secrets that were hidden in the past. Unfortunately, I've forgotten the name and many of the details, but it was very interesting. Had a lot to do with researching genealogy and matching up birth dates, marriage dates, etc. Now, with the advent of DNA, I'll bet a lot of secrets will come tumbling out.
Could you link the sources for that?
This video makes the only thing sound absurd:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-22-2009/the-born-identity
If Obama was born in Hawaii, Obama is a natural-born citizen, by precedent of the Supreme Court. And if you want to ignore that precedent because you don’t believe in anchor babies, you stated his mother was a citizen, and there is no doubt that the child of a citizen, born within the boundaries of this nation, is a natural born citizen.
Ummm Supreme court of what country has decided the natural born citizen issue?
Straw men. Although I will try to stay out of any other part of this debate such as forgeries. I think the question of conspiracy in HI is a legitimate question, who looked at the original on file before a year ago and how (if it’s more than nobody) they were kept silent about what they saw.
Repeating shallow assertions which have been fully & deeply refuted does not a valid opinion make.
Nice try at twisting the issue to assume as axiomatic that which you are trying to esatblish as the axiom. The truth which you seem to abhor is that the issue of how natural born is defined for the purposes of the Constitution regarding presidential eligibility has not been establish via a SCOTUS ruling. But we understand why you want to try these tricks in order to stroke your ego. But it is deception you’re practicing.
a 1999 study by the American Association of Blood Banks discovered that in 30 percent of 280,000 blood tests performed to determine paternity, the man tested was not actually the biological father of his children.
who’s his daddy?
You are incorrect as to what the law was at the time of his birth.
Note that nobody disputes that the father was not a citizen, and nobody disputes that the mother was a citizen, or that she was under 21 years of age.
So if the law was as you state, there would be no question of fact that Obama would not be a citizen, regardless of where he was born.
But in fact, your statement of the law is what applies if Obama was born OUTSIDE the country.
If he was born in Hawaii, and one parent was a citizen, he is a natural born citizen.
That’s why we are having the debate — the question of whether he was born in Hawaii or Kenya is the ONLY critical question, as the other facts are not in dispute.
The 14th Amendment does not confir citizenship to illegals.
It clearly says “...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...”
Illegal aliens are felons, and are not due rights of citizens by fact of their felonious acts.
The putative father was not a citizen, and the constitutional law said the mother could not confir citizenship.
If you would would do the most cursory research on the subject, you would find, to your girlish horror, that parents citizenship does confir the status of their children.
Just because people of your ilk think that felons can jump the border and automatically be rewarded doesn’t make it right.
So far, the contemporary SCOTUS has not heard any cases about the illegality of border jumpers, and I expect that it won’t anytime soon.
But, you are taking me off-subject.
BHO is not a “Natural-Born Citizen”.
THIRTY PERCENT? Awful, if true.
Is it ok for any President to withhold any of his past records ? If so which ones?
"Nobody argues that a child born within the nation’s boundaries to a mother who is a citizen would NOT be natural-born."
That would matter in the case of McCain because John McCain was not born within the boundaries of this country.
However, he was born at a US military installation, and it was generally considered that people born at military installations were natural-born even if the installation was in a foreign country.
However, there were some who wanted to argue that point, and so the Senate voted on it.
Obama's "problem" is that only one parent is a citizen, and that parent wasn't old enough to confer citizenship on a child if the child was born outside the boundaries of the country.
Now I’m no longer having any doubts about you. You know what fraud has been posted on the Internet to claim a ‘valid CoLB’, you’ve read Poalrik’s material because you’ve posted on the discussion threads of same. You’ve been reading all the psots on birther threads, and now you want to ignore the fraud and forgeries and claim we are obliged to believe the thing shown on the Internte is valid. ... But this issue is serving to out many stealthy decievers always ready to be apologists for liars and thieves, for that we thank you.
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