Yes, this is not proof that the backing documents (i.e.: the "long form BC") exist or are unquestionable. The indicated photos DO show (short of physically handling it yourself, which you won't get to) that the standard, legally binding certification does exist, which means that the State Of Hawaii stands by the claim that BHO is in fact a natural-born citizen.
Yes, there was another earlier scanned copy which was provably and obviously falsified, which of course raises more circumstantial evidence that something gravely illegal is going on. Address that in its proper context as suspicious behavior.
So drop the "doctored COLB" BS. Much as I want to see proof BHO is not eligible to be POTUS, and much as I believe there is overwhelming circumstantial evidence thereof, anyone who obviously is oblivious to the second "high-res" set of COLB photos is not worthy of further consideration and should shut up already. The "doctored COLB" has its place in discussion, but so far anyone talking about it as most do obviously is ignorant of the larger story. Pardon my harsh tone, but this is a point seriously harmful to the "birther" movement.
Do you actually listen to yourself when you write? Did you actually read and understand what Factcheck wrote? Do you know WHY Factcheck took photos? Do you know WHAT Factcheck photographed?
I already know that you haven't read what I wrote about it.
Factcheck said that they photographed the same document that was used to make the scan. If the scan image is bogus (or "falsified"), something that I, and I alone, proved last November, which you readily admit, then the photos also have to be bogus.
If what they photographed is what was was actually scanned, then the Seal in that photo would be clearly and completely visible in the scan image (it was barely and partially visible and required image enhancements to see it), and the 2nd fold line would be clearly and completely visible in the scan image (NO 2nd fold line exists, period).
You cannot, on the one hand, forge a scan image and then turn around and say, "Hey, we made an image forgery from a real COLB, but now we are showing it in these photos."
THAT is insanely ludicrous!!!
What you are seeing in Factcheck's photos is a PHYSICALLY-FABRICATED COLB. The photos are real but the COLB object is not. I describe how it was done and how I proved that it was fabricated here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2292609/posts
Last November, in a 160-page report, I conclusively and irrefutably proved that the one and only "scan image" of one and only one side of an alleged COLB, which is what you called an "obvious" forgery. If it really was "obvious," then why do the media, Obama supporters, and Factcheck, Politifact, Snopes, Politico, Chicago Tribune, and the Honolulu Advertiser, continue to treat it as being real?
If you noticed it, then why haven't they?
NOW, in addition to what I demonstrated last November, I've now proven, conclusively and irrefutably, that what Factcheck photographed is not a real COLB at all, but a physically-fabricated COLB (and if you want to know how it was fabricated, then you'll just have to read my post like everyone else).
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2292609/posts
So, the only thing that's oblivious is your awareness of reality. The only BS here is emanating from you, and all of the other trolls who still believe that Obama has a real 2007 COLB.
News flash: he doesn't. Obama does not have a 2007 COLB, and never had a 2007 COLB. Hawaii never made a 2007 COLB for him. Hawaii confirmed that. What Hawaii never confirmed is that Obama was born in Hawaii. When Hawaii's DOH Director said that they had Obama's original birth certificate on record, they did not say if it was a physical, paper certificate or from where it came.
But, hey, don't let me stop you, or anyone else like you, from being delusional. It's what trolls do best.
You do raise one good point in your #27.
That is, we certainly do not want to go forward with a patently defective argument.
Polarik has expertly addressed your technical concerns and we await your comments.
Your express concern about harming the “birther” movement also raises the question:
“Assuming, as you do, the COLB presented on FactCheck is authentic, what is your opinion as to how the “birther” movement should proceed?
What of my earlier question to you concerning the fact that Hawaii specifies a COLB is not conclusive proof of U.S. citizenship; thus, it has no determinative value.
How do propose that Obama resolve that issue without asking Hawaii to provide Congress with a verifiably authentic copy of his BC?
“Yes, they’re provided by FactCheck.org, so they’re suspect”
Suspect? They’re comical. I saved those photos to my hard drive and opened them in Photoshop so that I could give them the closest scrutiny of which I am capable. I began with some trepidation, but finished laughing.
“yet there has been no viable allegations of doctoring on the high-res set.”
True, but irrelevant. They are not doctored, but they are manufactured whole cloth.
“All key parts are clearly visible and look honest: the embossed stamp, the stamped signature, the text, etc. all seem real.”
No, they are clearly visible and look no more honest than old scratch himself. Sure, I can believe that the paper, the embossed stamp, the text, and the stamped signature are real. What I don’t find credible is that the statements thereon are true.
A **stamped** signature? That is a document that may go down in history, at least in the assumed Bamtard presidential library. And the man who has responsibility for signing it allows his signature to be **stamped**? If I had ever had the honor of signing a document so closely associated with, say, Ronaldus Magnus, I would have signed it proudly with a fountain pen.
There’s only one reason the signature on that document is stamped, and that is so Onaka can claim that someone else stamped and released it without his knowledge or permission when, not if, this document is shown to be fraudulent.
“Yes, this is not proof that the backing documents (i.e.: the “long form BC”) exist or are unquestionable.”
Proof? It’s not even a plausible assertion. Think about it. All the fuss over the Bamtard not being a citizen, and this is what he releases? Why not the original? Releasing the original would put the subject to bed forever, yet he releases this, this nothing, that doesn’t even bear a genuine signature. Any man with even half the wits God gave him would see this as prima facie evidence that the original is being hidden.
“the standard, legally binding certification does exist”
Sigh. And now I have to dredge up one of the legally sanctioned but atrocious events of history, I suppose. On a matter of this importance, you would really accept a stamped signature and a promise that the proof really, really does exist, cross my heart and hope to be impeached? When the original could be produced so easily?
Sorry. Not good enough. If the original exists, let’s see it.
“which means that the State Of Hawaii stands by the claim that BHO is in fact a natural-born citizen.”
No, it means that some non-zero number of partisans in the state bureaucracy are willing to commit fraud to protect another leftist.
“Address that in its proper context as suspicious behavior.”
No, sorry, that’s far worse than suspicious. It might not stand up before a jury of hand-picked morons, but it is so telling as to shift the burden of proof onto the forces of Evil to produce the real document.
“So drop the “doctored COLB” BS.”
Right. It is not doctored. It is a false official statement. It is perjury. It is misprision under color of office. It is treason.
“anyone who obviously is oblivious to the second “high-res” set of COLB photos is not worthy of further consideration and should shut up already.”
As best I can tell from the photos, it is not a “set” of documents. It is a single sheet with but a few words on it, and a stamp rather than a signature. Anyone who accepts this sheet of paper as convincing should…figure it out, already.
For that matter, none of the photos show the text and the signature together. Where the entire document is shown, there is no sig. Where the sig is shown, there is no document.
“Pardon my harsh tone, but this is a point seriously harmful to the “birther” movement.”
I disagree. No degree of probity on the part of those who question his citizenship by birth could possibly placate the forces of Evil. It is the disagreement itself that they cannot tolerate, not its substance, form, or tone.
...anyone who obviously is oblivious to the second "high-res" set of COLB photos is not worthy of further consideration and should shut up already.
You obviously missed the party, and have no idea how ridiculous that sounds to those of us who have read the forensic study.
Ron Polarik (digtal medium forensics expert) picked those hi-res photos apart on this very website, detail, by detail, and proved that they're photos of a forgery, months and months ago.