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Atlas Shrugs: Obama Scrubs the Web of All Birth Docs
Atlas Shrugs ^ | July 11, 2009 | Pamela Geller

Posted on 07/11/2009 11:17:40 PM PDT by Stoat

Obama Scrubs the Web of All Birth Docs

It was a little over a year ago that Atlas broke the story that Obama's certification of live birth was a "horrible forgery". I ran a 28 page forensic digital analysis meticulously prepared by a forensic digital examination specialist exposing the fraud. Obama hired five law firms to fight the release of the vault copy. He has never seen the light of day despite numerous calls by hundreds of thousands of concerned Americas to do just that.
Interestingly, in the past week, Obama's secret police have been massively scrubbing the net of any and all copies of the COLB. Even vaporizing the copies on the "wayback machine".You can see the documents he has erased here. Mighty strange. Or not.

Just last week I was reviewing them online for a piece I was researching. So this is very new.

Check out all the Atlas birth documentation coverage going back to June 10th here.

 
What a difference a day makes.  Just yesterday, I posted a page (cursor down) from the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children that featured a letter from the White House affirming the hospital as Obama's birthplace (see next item).

Well, today, the letter is gone -- scrub-a-dub-dub!

Why would they remove the letter?  This is getting absurd.Bogus
POTUS 7/9/09
Massive Internet Scrub In Progress

Yesterday's item, "Fight the Smears Disappears," documented the changes that have recently been made to Obama's high-profile Internet site, "Fight the Smears," and also to the Internet Archive, also known as the "WayBackMachine.com" -- Obama has removed his bogus Certification of Live Birth from the Internet -- at the same time, the Internet Archive just happened to "lose" its archived copy.

What's really ironic is that FactCheck.org is so invested in their defense of Obama's bogus bona fides, that they just can't dig themselves out of the hole they dug themselves into.  FactCheck now stands alone as a defender of the indefensible.

In the last 24 hours, further evidence of an, organized, massive scrubbing of the Internet has been discovered.

Evidence of this extraordinary campaign was posted on this site on June 18th.  Sometime between June 8, 2009, and June 18, 2009, the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands (DHHL) changed the requirements for identification that they maintained for over 100 years.  All of a sudden, Hawaii will now accept Certifications of Live Birth (COLB) as proof of identification and residency, and will no longer require the certified "Certificates of Birth" -- although Hawaii says that they will still take the traditional birth certificates.

On June 7th, this website reported that the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu posted on its website
a letter on White House stationery dated January 24th (since scrubbed), in which Obama wrote, "As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center -- the place of my birth -- I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters" -- even though Obama himself has previously claimed to have been born at Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, a claim backed up by his sister Maya.

Until June 7th, even United Press International (UPI) and Snopes.com contained statements that Obama was born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu.  Here is a screen capture from Snopes.com that says, "Barack Hussein Obama was born at the Queen's Medical Center."   Today, Snopes.com claims that "Barack Hussein Obama, was born on 4 August 1961 at the Kapiolani Medical Center."  Snopes claims they made the change because Wikipedia made the change.

Here is the UPI screen capture that claims Obama was born at Queens -- but now the UPI claims Kapiolani.  Remember, Obama, himself, told UPI that he was born at Queens.

So, because someone at the White House sent a letter to Kapiolani, all the websites that have been covering for Obama are now scrambling to scrub content that they have claimed as accurate for the last couple of years.

Over one year ago, I wrote the following for the "Biography" page:

On the Internet, there is an organized, systematic cleansing of Obama-related content.

Every couple of days I get an email telling me this link, or that link, connects to a "Page not found -- 404 error."  The extensive body of Obama web-knowledge, that has evolved over the last 20 years, is shrinking.  Stuff that's considered an Obama smear or unflattering is sent to the Obama '08 cyber shredding machine.  And the campaign is getting help from some really big web service providers.

A good example is Kristof's famous New York Times article, in which Kristof quotes Obama saying that the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth" and in which Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent" -- that's gone -- from The New York Times -- but it's here though.

And, the Trinity UCC website has completely changed.  Now, it's all sweetness and light.  Gone are all those great Rev. Wright "God damn America" videos and anti-Israeli Trumpet magazine excerpts.

There's less on the web every day.  In time, the entire Obama body of knowledge will consist of Obama's 3 bogus novels -- "Dreams From My Father" -- "The Audacity of Hope" -- and the latest -- "Change We Can Believe In" -- all written by Barack Hussein Obama or his "ghost-writers."
 

Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints -- none!  There is no Obama documentation -- no bona fides -- no paper trail -- nothing.  Just Obama's bullsh!t story.

Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released (lawyers' fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15)
Certification of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
and here and here
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released (if one exists)

Obama/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)

Kindergarten records -- Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)

Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released (lawyers' fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15)
Certification of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released (if one exists)

Obama/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)

Kindergarten records -- Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released

Fransiskus Assisi School  School application -- Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)

Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport -- Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament" -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None

Illinois Bar Records -- Not released.
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None


And the political Left and the press, the supporters of the Usurper-in-Chief, have the gall to attack anyone that questions this EVIDENCE of a conspiracy as a kook, a nut -- as a "Birther."

 

Atlas flashback: 

 

 

Here is the  analysis from Atlas expert TD,  an active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, American College of Forensic Examiners, The International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, International Information Systems Forensics Association - the list goes on. He also a board certified as a forensic computer examiner, a certificated legal investigator, and a licensed private investigator. He has been performing computer based forensic investigations since 1993 (although back then it did not even have a formal name yet) and he has performed countless investigations since then.

Obama’s Birth Certificate – CHANGE you can believe in.

I have decided to leave out the low level technicalities and the how-to section of this report due to a lack of time and more importantly I want to get the facts out as quickly as possible. As some of you may or may not know some asshat decided to track me down and vandalize my car and hang a dead mutilated rabbit from my front door in a lame attempt to intimidate me from proceeding with releasing any details of my analysis. They did succeed in delaying the report by a few days but instead of deterring me they just really pissed me off. To their credit, if I had not taken a few days off from the analysis I would have missed the most damning piece of evidence – the remnants of the previous security border. So to the demented retard who slaughtered an animal to make a point – f*ck you and thank you. And because of the amazing number of violent psychopaths who seem to be drawn to this issue, I am not going to use or supply any details that can be used to identify the owners of the COLBS used in the analysis except for those which have already been publicly disclosed. If the owners want to come forward on their own that is entirely their decision. Now let’s get to the summarized report.

In questioned document analysis there are several methods for detecting forgeries – the most basic of which is to conduct a side by side evaluation of known good samples to compare against the questioned one and to use an alternate light source to highlight the changes in the color and density of the inks and paper. In the case at hand there are no questioned physical documents to examine so I used the same basic techniques modified for the digital age for use in computer forensic analysis.

The following analysis was conducted using various Hawaiian COLBS issued over a multi-year time frame ranging from 2001 through 2008 but this report will focus only on the results from the March 2007 through June 2008 certificates for accurately comparing against the KOS image purportedly printed by the Health Department of Hawaii in June 2007. I am only interested in comparing apples to apples as they say but I will touch on some of the other years for a brief comparative and observational analysis.

Since the image presented is a graphical image and not a physical certificate I made the concerted effort to track down known good certificates and certificates images to use for the analysis. Thanks to several individuals I managed to collect and review multiple images of certificates issued between 2001 through 2003 all of which bore an identical layout to the previous Decosta image which was issued during the same time frame. Several more certificate images and physical certificates were also sent to me of certificates issued between 2006 through 2008 directly by their respective owners.  All of the 2006 through 2008 certificates bore an identical layout to one another. Several copies of the images were created to allow digital modifications to be made without altering the original images. MD5 and SHA1 signatures were generated for each of the images and their duplicates. The signatures of the duplicates matched against their originals and the original images were then moved to a separate protected directory on the server.

By separating the certificate issue dates into groups the pre-2006 certificates show a clearly different security border design than the more recent 2006 through 2008 design. There were no other visually detectible modifications to the layout of the certificates between all time frames aside from the additional change from the DATE ACCPETED to DATE FILED headings.

 

Image 1. 2001 – 2008 border patterns

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All known good certificate images from all time frames examined shared an apparent identical layout and font. Each of the available un-cropped full certificate images, from all time frames, showed the security borders to be almost perfectly centered from left to right within the lower 2/3 rd portion of the 8 ½ x 11 inch page with all deviations off center being within 15 pixels. Measurements were taken from the top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right, center top, and center bottom of each images security border to the edges of the visible paper which appeared as hard edges with the top cover of the scanners creating whitespace.

 

Image 2. Measurements

Image2
 

The embossed seals and ink stamps in all of the pre-2006 images are clearly visible in the scans however none of the post-2006 seals or ink stamps are visible without extensive manipulation to the digital images. Even when scanning the physical post-2006 certificate in my possession using multiple resolutions and using multiple scanners I was also unable to produce an image which would allow the seal to show though the image. The ink stamps on the rear side were also not visible in the front side scans without digital modifications to the scanned images. My scans of the physical certificate also produced the same results using multiple resolutions and using multiple scanners. 

The post-2006 COLBs were then compared against one another for a direct 1:1 comparison. Using copies of the images I digitally enhanced and modified the scans by removing only the hatch pattern background and then removing the merged information fields leaving just the raw document templates and saving them as a series of digital overlay templates. When the 2006 overlay was placed on top of the 2007 image they matched from corner to corner with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images. The fonts were observed to be in the same locations and of the same size and kerning. The procedure was then used with the 2006 overlay on top of the 2008 image. Once again, they matched from corner to corner with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images. The fonts were observed to be in the same locations and of the same size, style, and kerning. The 2007 overlay was then applied on top of the 2008 image. The 2007 and 2008 also matched from corner to corner with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images. The fonts were observed to be in the same locations and of the same size, style, and kerning. Having verified that all of the examined post-2006 certificates were identical in form and substance I then focused the rest of the analysis using the 2007 and 2008 COLB KOS image to pin the document into the middle of the known time frame.

Image 3. Overlays

Image3

 

The same measurement methodology was used against the full un-cropped KOS image and showed the security borders to be uncentered from left to right within the lower 2/3 rd portion of the 8 ½ x 11 inch page with a deviation from the other measurements off center being the average of 75 pixels – a 60 pixel greater deviation. Measurements were taken from the top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right, center top, and center bottom of each images security border to the edges of the visible paper which appeared as hard edges with the top cover of the scanners creating whitespace. The differences are also detectible visually without the use of digital enhancements.

 

Image 4.  measurement comparisons

Image4
 

The previously created overlays were placed on top of the image. When the 2007 overlay was placed on top of the image they did not immediately line up. After being matched from security border corner to security border corner with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images the security border pattern obviously did not match in pattern or in color. The fonts were observed to not be in the same locations and they also did not share same kerning. The procedure was then used with the 2008 overlay on top of the KOS image. Once again when the 2008 overlay was placed on top of the image they did not immediately line up. After being matched from corner to corner like the 2007 overlay again with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images the security border pattern obviously did not match in pattern or in color. The fonts were observed to not be in the same locations on the page and they also did not share same kerning. 

 

Image 5. with 2007 and 2008 overlays

Image5

A direct relative comparison using unmodified copies of the original images were made in regards to the security border pattern and color. Several distinctions were noted from the 2007 / 2008 certificate security border versus the security border used in the KOS image. 

Image 6. Border comparisons

Image6
 

Direct relative measurements using unmodified copies of the original images were made in regards to the font size and kerning. Several letters were distinctly different in width and kerning from the 2007 / 2008 certificate font versus the font used in the KOS image such as O, H, N, R, and C. 

Images 7 – 9. Animated GIFs showing kerning differences

Image7 Image8 Image9

The metadata and EXIF information was then extracted from the 2007, 2008, and the two images. The metadata extracted from the JPG files consisted of the quantization tables used for compressing the image and the EXIF data if it was present.

The 2007 image’s rate of compression was calculated to an approximated 75% quality factor at 300 dpi with an image size of 2550 x 3300 pixels in a portrait orientation and contained no EXIF data.

The 2008 image’s rate of compression was calculated to an approximated 80% quality factor at 300 dpi with an image size of 2550 x 3300 pixels in a portrait orientation and also contained no EXIF data.

The un-cropped image’s rate of compression was calculated to an approximated 90% quality factor at 300 dpi with an image size of 2550 x 3300 pixels in a portrait orientation and also contained the following relevant EXIF data:

[Software ] = Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh

[DateTime ] = 2008:

06:12

08:42:36

 

[ColorSpace ] = 65535

[ExifImageWidth ] = 2550

[ExifImageHeight] = 3300

Raw Image Orientation = Portrait

Photoshop Save As Quality = [8]

Photoshop Save Format = [Progressive]

The cropped image’s rate of compression was calculated to an approximated 50% quality factor at 300 dpi with an image size of 2427 x 2369 pixels in a landscape orientation and also contained the following relevant EXIF data:

[Software ] = Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh

[DateTime ] = 2008:

06:12

08:42:36

 

[ColorSpace ] = 65535

[ExifImageWidth ] = 2427

[ExifImageHeight] = 2369

Raw Image Orientation = Landscape

The 2007, 2008, and the two KOS images were then analyzed by creating a heat map showing where each pixel changes as jpeg quality decreases from 100 to 0. A change was considered relevant once the sum of the changes to the red, green, and blue values exceeded 10%. The heat map created from the 2007 and 2008 images showed the fonts, seal image, and security border are all identical consistent values. To eliminate any subjective presumptions and to increase the number of comparative tests the same analysis was then conducted on the 2006 and prior certificate images which all found the fonts, seal images, and security borders to also be saved with identical consistent values. The same analysis on the KOS images showed the security border having a substantially different RGB quality value than the fonts and the seal image. 

 

Image 10.  RGB value heat maps

Image10

 

Image 11. Detailed images of RGB value heat maps

Image11

The 2007, 2008, and the two KOS images were also analyzed for jpeg compression variations by creating a heat map showing where the difference for a particular compression level is indicated. A change was considered relevant once the sum of the changes to the error level values exceeded 10% of the previously calculated compression error rates. The heat map created from the 2007 and 2008 images showed the fonts, seal image, and security border are all identical consistent values. To eliminate any subjective presumptions and to increase the number of comparative tests the same analysis was then conducted on the 2006 and prior certificate images which all found the fonts, seal images, and security borders to also be compressed with identical consistent values. The same analysis on the KOS image indicated that the security border has a different error value than the fonts and the seal image. 

Image 12. Error level analysis heat maps

Image12

Image 13. Detailed images of error level analysis heat map

Image13

The image contains numerous visible artifacts located at various points throughout the image. These artifacts are not found on any other known good image from any examined time frame. I began creating a pixel level map of these errors by using a copy of the full un-cropped version and simply highlighting the areas by drawing a pixel wide line to the left and to the right of each visible flaw. The left side of the image towards the inside edge of the security border contained stray vertical lines that did not match up to any of the jpeg compression artifacts so they were highlighted. The right side of the image contained visual pixel level inconsistencies in the background hatch pattern. The right side pattern is visually consistent with the artifacts left after digitally erasing an area from an image and attempting to rebuild the background.

Image 14. Some random flaws highlighted

Image14

By connecting the points together the original placement of what appears to be part of the original security border becomes apparent. The placement of the lines matches the expected location of a good security border based on the known placement from the known good certificates. The width and spacing of the highlighted areas also match a 1:1 scale overlay from a section of a known good security border.

Image 15. Connected lines

Image15

A close examination of the security border itself reveals several repeating inconsistencies. Among them is a “weak line” which repeats once after every second bold line and a slightly downward curving end point where a straight line should end. This pattern continues around the entire perimeter of the security border. Upon very close inspection portions of the security border also repeat every 240 pixels. By mapping this repeating pattern it becomes apparent that the pattern is laid out as a 240 x 240 pixel square that can be accurately extrapolated to the next position by simply counting 240 pixels. This type of tiling effect is commonly seen when an image has been modified by filling an area using an image editing application’s tile or pattern fill function.

Image 16. Mapped border pattern

 

Image16

 

During the course of my analysis several calls were made to various departments in the Hawaiian State Government in an attempt to better understand the process and procedures used to create, print, and distribute copies of the COLB form. While I was brushed off or hung up upon by almost all of the people I contacted I did manage to talk with a computer technician who was familiar with the computers and printers used by the Department of Health and the clerk’s offices. He was unwilling to give any specific details but did provide enough information to work with. The COLB certificates are printed directly in the clerk’s office at the time they are requested. The system uses a standard laser printer and the border is printed at the same time as the text and other images on top of preprinted security paper. He stated the border is a vector image and would appear crisp and defined. When asked if a COLB can be printed off center he said it was not possible and any misfeed would simply jam in the printer. When asked if he had seen the images on-line he replied that he had – and that there is “no way” they had printed something that looked like that which further backed up my conclusions. Now let’s start to put the pieces of the puzzle together. The KOS image security border pattern does not match any known specimen from any known year. It does not match the pre-2006 nor does it match the post-2006 certificate patterns. The placement of the text in all of the pre-2006 and post-2006 certificates are almost identical pixel location matches while the image’s text placement does not match any known specimen from any known year. The shape and kerning of the fonts used in the 2006 through 2008 certificates are identical while the shape and kerning of the fonts used in the image does not match any known specimen. The KOS image shows clear signs of tampering such as the mismatch in RGB and error levels, visible indications of the previous location of the erased security border, easily detectable patterns of repeating flaws around the new security border, EXIF data that says the image was last saved with Photoshop CS3 for Macintosh, and finally a technician from Hawaii who confirms it just looks wrong.

There are two obvious scenarios used to create the image that can be ascertained from evidence. Either a real COLB was scanned into Photoshop and digitally edited or a real COLB was first scanned to obtain the graphic layout then blanked by soaking the document in solvent to remove the toner. After rescanning the blank page to a separate image the graphics from the previously obtained scan could then be easily applied to the blank scan after some editing and rebuilding. It would also explain why date stamp bleeds through the paper and the various bits of toner located around the image as well as the remnants of the previous location of a security border.

So as I have been saying repeatedly since I first compared the KOS images to the Decosta image using the same tests and measurements – the image is a horrible forgery.

Previously at Atlas: FORENSIC EXPERT: "the [birth] certificate is still a horrible forgery"

Mystery, Clarification and Obfuscation of Obama's Birth Certificate Forgery

Atlas Tech Expert Declares Obama Birth Certificate ...

Who died and made him the final word on Obama's ...

The "Missing" Obama Birth Certificate Seal 6/29/08

SUCH A LIAR: OBAMA'S FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE  6/26/08

RELEASE OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE! 6/10/08

****Must Cite Pamela Geller and link back to Atlas ****(play nice and honest).

UPDATE: Techdude added this in the comment section:

..some folks asked for it...so here are MORE screen shots. I uploaded a few from the 2001 and 2003 COLB tests and the animated gifs showing the fun pulsating kerning differences ala LGF style.

I assume no one has been able to figure out why the "2007" KOS image manages to have the same placement as a 2003 COLB and not a 2006, 2007, or 2008 COLB yet huh? How about the remnants of the previous border location? Humm...and what about that mis-matching uncentered border with obvious 2 pixel white spaces between the top and bottom headers? Any more novel theories? Space aliens? Right wing conspiracies? Oh I know...it must have all been a "satire" of a real one.

              Decosta error level

Decosta error level

          Decosta RGB Heat map

decosta rgb heat map

                2003 RGB Heat map

2003 RGB heat map

    2007 on KOS animated - kerning differences

2007 on KOS animated - kerning differences

            Animated gif - kerning differences

animated gif - kerning differences

2003 over 2007

2007 over 2003

                                                        2007 overlay on Decosta

2007 overlay on Decosta

*** Copyright © 2005-2008 Pamela Geller | All Rights Reserved *** (credit and link back to Atlas)



TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: article2section1; barackobama; bho2009; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; birthrecords; certifigate; colb; coverup; eligibility; forgery; hawaii; ineligible; kenya; nobama; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; scrubadubbdubb; usurper
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To: Stoat

*shrug* The kid always looks like he’s saying “Ma’am” to me.


21 posted on 07/12/2009 12:12:16 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 173 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: null and void

Yes he does :-)


22 posted on 07/12/2009 12:13:14 AM PDT by Stoat (Palin / Coulter 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat

Bump to come back and save my own copies of it all tomorrow.


23 posted on 07/12/2009 12:13:17 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: Stoat

This is what we call transparency


24 posted on 07/12/2009 12:14:57 AM PDT by GeronL ( Patriotic Insurrectionist at http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: null and void

Why would he be running scared?

He could murder a child on live national TV and the media would ignore it and explain it away


25 posted on 07/12/2009 12:16:08 AM PDT by GeronL ( Patriotic Insurrectionist at http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Stoat

- bookmark


26 posted on 07/12/2009 12:25:34 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: GeronL
His poll numbers are plummeting.

And the media is starting to turn on him, else we'd have never seen this:

Not only has this gotten wide currency, someone even massaged the color balance to make Mayara Ravares look paler than 0bama.

Why, an uncharitable person might even think they were playing the race card and taping into that old stereotypical cracker revulsion for a black man ogling a white woman...

See Rev 12:12, "...the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

A short time indeed.

27 posted on 07/12/2009 12:35:33 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 173 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: GeronL
Transparency?
pacity!

28 posted on 07/12/2009 12:36:17 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 173 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Stoat

Someone is lying. According to Obama’s Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democrat candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room. -This, according to several news sites and Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg who is, surprisingly, a life long democrat himself. Berg is the former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, and he has an impressive background in his activities as a democrat, but his support for the party seemingly stops when it comes to his trust in Barack Hussein Obama.

http://www.covenantnews.com/blog/archives/047440.html

His grandmother says he was born in Kenya. Barack Hussein Obama says she is a liar. The whores in the press say she is a liar. Extremist left web blogs say she is a liar. NOBODY EXPLAINS WHY SHE WOULD LIE.

Hmmmmmm


29 posted on 07/12/2009 12:37:31 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA
NOBODY EXPLAINS WHY SHE WOULD LIE.

Because she's a liar?

30 posted on 07/12/2009 12:39:31 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 173 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: null and void

LOL,,,Roger Dat!...;0)


31 posted on 07/12/2009 12:44:04 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: GeronL

I’m thinking maybe they’ve had enough time to whip up a professionally forged vault document. Gibbs said they would be putting this whole issue to rest soon.
What else are they planning in their war against us, US?
The question is not if, but when will they pounce. They are scrubbing. That’s a fact. Dissatisfaction is growing within the population.
The last bastion we have is our ability to communicate. They are working on that as we speak.


32 posted on 07/12/2009 12:44:38 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Zero+Zero=Zero, OR nothing from nothing is still nothing. OR 0+R E =0)
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To: null and void

You know that to be a fact?


33 posted on 07/12/2009 12:45:34 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: MestaMachine; Polarik
Makes sense. There will be obvious and subtle differences between the "new" "old" BC and the various other forged copies already released.

Only now he has the resources of a Nation-State to make a forgery.

The new forged documents will be nearly 'Polarik proof'. They'll be like the North Korean produced counterfeit $100 bills, virtually undetectable to mere mortals.

34 posted on 07/12/2009 12:51:44 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 173 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: SUSSA

Nope. I rather doubt that she lied.


35 posted on 07/12/2009 12:53:16 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 173 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: null and void; Polarik; pissant; Fred Nerks; Stoat; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; ...

36 posted on 07/12/2009 12:53:59 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: PhilDragoo

Excellent!


37 posted on 07/12/2009 12:54:36 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 173 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: SUSSA; All

Fascinating info, thank you, but heartbreaking for our Nation when one considers the gravity and the ultimate meaning of all that has happened here.

One thing continues to grate upon me, and that is the cold shoulder that much of conservative talk radio seems to have given this entire issue. Sadly, I have heard Michael Medved state on several occasions essentially that the whole birth certificate issue is owned by the ‘kook fringe’ and serves to de-legitimize conservatives who look into and thoughtfully consider these matters.

I don’t recall hearing Rush say anything about it but he may have; I may just have missed it.

I don’t believe that Sean Hannity has given it much airtime...please correct me if I’m wrong. It’s just an impression I’ve gotten from several National hosts that the matter is beneath them to discuss.

In fairness, I recall hearing Laura Ingraham discussing it on at least a couple of occasions.

It’s terribly sad when such an absolutely essential issue is being essentially waved off by those who supposedly are our champions.


38 posted on 07/12/2009 12:58:39 AM PDT by Stoat (Palin / Coulter 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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I don’t recall hearing Rush say anything about it but he may have; I may just have missed it.

He has.

Q: What to God and Obama have in common?
A: Neither one has a birth certificate...

39 posted on 07/12/2009 1:02:25 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 173 of our national holiday from reality.)
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LMAO good one :-)

Thanks for the correction....it’s hard to keep up on such details....it’s just an overall impression I’ve gotten which may be false.
I do distinctly recall Michael Medved being extremely dismissive of the matter, however.


40 posted on 07/12/2009 1:05:53 AM PDT by Stoat (Palin / Coulter 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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