Posted on 06/23/2009 12:01:28 PM PDT by rxsid
While I agree that all 'angles' should be pursued (the BC may help to establish weather he is actually legally in this country or not (i.e. no record of Naturalization)), I also am of the opinion that the main...root issue here is his admitted British Citizenship AT BIRTH which begs the question Leo asks at the end of this snippet:
[Quote]" World Net Daily Drops The POTUS Ineligiblity Ball…
Whether they know it or not, WND is causing massive distraction by feeding the birth certificate smokescreen more and more fire while consistently failing to concentrate national focus on the core legal issue - Obama admits to being a British citizen at birth and therefore could not have been a “natural born citizen” of the United States as is required by the Constitution.
One of these days the Obama administration might serve up for your culinary consumption the most perfect long form birth certificate you could ever imagine. [Edit: Exactly what I've (& others) have indicated for a long time now] Hawaii officials will vouch for its authenticity under oath if need be. And numerous forensic experts will substantiate its veracity.
Then the POTUS eligibility movement is going to look like a vast nutjob right wing conspiracy.
And the ineligible one will be so much stronger and more powerful for it.
... Let me make this perfectly clear – below is the question that must be asked of White House Press Secretary Gibbs should anyone ever have the chance again. It’s been crafted with razor sharp precision so that slippery tongued vixens can’t slither out of the truth nexus without exposing themselves to even the most sleepy of audiences.
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The false BC theory is – without a doubt - a conspiracy theory of epic proportions. Nobody can deny that it’s a textbook conspiracy theory. Regardless of whether he has a genuine long form BC saying he was born in Hawaii, the concept that the COLB is a forgery would certainly concern a vast conspiracy to defraud the American people. Conspiracies do exist, but they have a very bad reputation and the media can spin them as kookery with ease.
The dual nationality issue is NOT a conspiracy theory. It’s a genuine legal question. Obama admits he was a dual citizen at birth. Eligibility advocates have simply questioned whether that makes him ineligible to be President under Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution.
BC = Conspiracy theory
DUAL NATIONALITY ADMISSION = legal question ...
Make this question your mantra. Don’t be distracted from it.
THIS IS WHAT YOU ASK GIBBS NEXT TIME, WND:
During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?"[End Quote]
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/world-net-daily-drops-the-potus-ineligiblity-ball/
I would add, that something like this simple, to the point statement followed by a question would make a perfect letter to send to representatives as well as news organizations. Sometimes, very 'wordy' letters are tossed aside because they take too much time to read and address the multiple questions asked in it.
Use this poignant FACT, followed by the single question Leo has asked. They can't say...Snopes verified it, or Factcheck verified it, or the HI officials verified it, or it was posted for all to see. Let's see how they respond to this:
"During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?"
BHO Sr was basically an African version of a communist, as is BHO's cousin, Raila Odinga. Thugs the both of them, except Raila has a lot more self control than BHO Sr ever thought of having. Many, if not most, of BHO's African relatives *are* Muslim. He's said as much himself.
Exactly.
The Future of the Republic demands no less.
Exactly! This is the 'scenario' that most people in this country could understand the best which is why the BC issue is the only issue for them...or at least, it's the most important issue.
Whereas, the original intent of the framers for putting that very specific requirement into the Constitution is something many people either don't care about or have a more difficult time understanding. U.S. Revolutionary War era history is not nearly as appealing to most as American Idol, or the current sports championship or the latest electronic gizmo that's being released, etc (which I admit, I enjoy as well...just not absent the other).
His BC is something he could continue to bamboozle the majority of the populus with. It's why we are where we are, after all.
But if the question where "mainstream," having to answer: "How a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?" is something that he'd have to have a court decide. He couldn't rely on his minon's in Congress and/or the SRM to point to a digital image and say...there ya go and have the 'public' accept it (even though most of us know it to be a fake).
He looks more like his maternal grandfather than either of them. And I don't think he looks much like either of them. He's really not got all that many "African" traits, and those are common to very very many men of African ancestry. His biological father could be any of them
If so, they are even more stupid than I generally give them credit for. Absent some really compelling personal loyalties, that kind of secret is virtualy impossible to keep. You can keep the existance of something like the SR-71 secret, because everyone who knows about it agrees on the necessity of the secrecy. But this kind of secret can only be kept if no more than two people know about it.
If the door is locked, go through a window, If it's too small try a chimney. If you don't have a ladder, try the garage door....etc....etc....etc Anything to get the information: the answer to what he is hiding.
OTOH We must establish for future generations the legal precedence to properly vet the candidate for president.
I’ll grant you, especially the chin - that could have come from nowhere except his maternal grandfather. (Making any speculation that Stanley Ann isn’t his mother improbable.) Still, the resemblance between him and Malcolm X or Frank Marshall Davis is far greater than Barack Obama, Sr.
Why did she marry him - just for cover, to have an official black father for her baby. I don’t know how old you are, but if you’re under 40 you may not really have any sense of how truly different life was in 1961 from today.
“It just seems to me that we should be attacking Obama’s eligibility on every single front. It doesn’t have to be either or imho”
I really agree with this - he’s so bad we have to get him somehow. Leave no stone unturned!
I think you're correct. You can't impeach an official if they never held the position to begin with.
Then yes...what then? Is Biden POTUS...even though he was chosen as a running mate by an ineligible candidate? Can an arguement be made that the E.C. would have voted for him in the absence of Barry on the ticket? Maybe then a special election would need to be held much like has been done in CA recently (re: Davis).
It would most likely go to Biden- he was chosen by the EC. The fact that Obama selected him as a running mate doesn't make a difference. Alternatively, you would go down the list of succession (I think Speaker of the House is next). There is no provision for any sort of special election- there is nothing in the Constitution allowing for elections at any time other than the regular 4-year intervals (the California situation was a recall election, which is something that exists under California law, so it wouldn't apply here). If Obama were to be found to not be qualified, the good news is there is a system in place to determine his successor. The bad news is that we would be dealing with President Biden or Pelosi.
Assuming he was here in a non-diplomatic capacity, yes. He would be Constitutionally qualified for the Presidency. Of course, politically there would be no chance of him getting elected.
From what countries is it acceptable to have a dual citizenship and 1st generation lineage? There is a conflict of interest, it’s always been there for him, it’s obvious.
Constitutionally, there is nothing barring people with dual citizenship from becoming President. Foreign determinations of who is and isn't a citizen have no bearing on US law.
If North Korea decided to grant citizenship to all Americans, would that mean no one would be qualified to be President?
I'm 59. I do remember 1961, although mostly in terms of playing little league (actually Little Chiefs) baseball, shooting some hoops, bowling, and doing "horse stuff", with my Dad. However, I do remember the other stuff too.
But I what I meant was "why marry BHO Sr AND then name someone else on the birth certificate?" Kind of messes up the deception, since BCs were not nearly so "private" in '61, and she/they would have no way of knowing how the laws concerning them would change.
Very well said. Concise and to the point.
Yes, but I think that is more coincidence than anything.
Barak and Grandfather Dunham.
The Messaih with his kids in Hawaii.
“But I what I meant was “why marry BHO Sr AND then name someone else on the birth certificate?” Kind of messes up the deception, since BCs were not nearly so “private” in ‘61, and she/they would have no way of knowing how the laws concerning them would change”
OK, Interesting question. I don’t know where to go on that, because the other side of the coin is that back then she certainly couldn’t have known he would run for President and didn’t know she needed to hide anything.
It still comes back to why is someone so mysterious in control of all of our lives?
I think Occam's Razor would lead one to believe that regardless of the true sperm donor, BHO Sr.'s name would be on the BC, regardless of the other details on it.
Leo originally thought up the idea of challenging Obama on Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, centering around Obama having divided loyalties based upon the fact his father is not an American citizen (per the British Nationality Act of 1948). Bravo -- most of us agree with that premise!
Leo got his infamous case to SCOTUS Conference, but it was not picked up. I blame most of that on non-cooperation from the court clerks ... BUT Leo can be difficult to work with, too. It didn't pan out -- it pissed many of us off, including Leo, who threw his hands up in disgust and went back to his life for a short while.
About the same time, Leo thought it might be a great idea to support troops in filing lawsuit. He and Dr. Orly theorized about it back in late-November on Plains Radio -- some of us helped with the research on that -- and Orly ran with it. But Leo refused to back that initiative because he felt troops were being exposed to too much legal jeopardy by Orly and others, as well as troops being goaded to defying orders order of the POTUS, abhorrent to the Constitution in Leo's eyes.
Then Leo introduced the idea of using the fourth branch of government to force answers on Obama's eligibility -- the Federal Grand Jury. An idea I and others here really like. But later, Leo felt the groups were making a mockery of the system and he stopped pushing the idea because it wasn't being run his way...
Many of us here on Free Republic are competent enough on the subjects of Constitutional law, dual citizenship issues, Hawaii birth certificate law, the Framers' intent in historical context, etc, that we could help prepare the arguments to be presented to the SCOTUS. BUT, it would seem that UP TO THIS POINT, the courts do NOT want to get involved in a power struggle that, in the courts' eyes, is between the Legislative Branch, Executive Branch, and individual states.
Personally, I would be pleased if our good friend Donofrio would just STICK to one of his good ideas, similar to how he did with his SCOTUS case -- and SEE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. He advised Cort Wrotnowski -- but didn't want to get involved beyond that. To me, he backs out when things don't go exactly as he would like too often ...
Leo could even try that SAME idea again based on Art II, Sec 1, Cl. 5 -- but just not based upon the concept that a state Secretary of State violated the Constitution. IMO, those election officials ARE following the horrible, currently-established state and federal election laws on the books (albeit loosely interpreted).
One plan of attack I've been suggesting is to go after the legality of Hawaii state birth certificate law, in that it FORCES the courts (and other states) to accept the Certification of Live Birth as legal proof of birth.
Attach THAT to an element of Article III, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution and we may have a chance to get the SCOTUS to touch the topic:
Clause 1: The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;--between a State and Citizens of another State; (See Note 10)--between Citizens of different States, --between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.The 11th Amendment:
Note 10: This Clause has been affected by amendment XI.
The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.
Otoh. If the story is true about her going to Africa before he was born and finding out that her husband was already married, maybe she decided to list the true biological father for spite....a woman scorned and all.
If Natural born citizen status meant the citizenship of the parents was of no importance to the loyalties and allegiance towards the America, then the Founding Fathers would not have provided a clause to allow themselves elligible.
Blackacre,
You signed up today, to defend his conflicted interest and unverifiable NB status, how convenient.
It’s probably all been remedied anyway with that unusal “power-outage” last December in Honolulu, how convenient.
And the list of people who could attest to his birth are well, quite dead, how...
I’m sure you get it, check my tag line.
Here’s a poor soul who was hired to view or tamper with the Senator’s passport, look what happened to him! Actually, wasn’t the decedent’s employer tied to the Obama campaign and now a part of the administration?
It is all very interesting.
The Washington Times
April 19, 2008
Key Witness In Passport Fraud Case Fatally Shot
A key witness in a federal probe into passport information stolen from the State Department was fatally shot in front of a District church, the Metropolitan Police Department said yesterday.
Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who had been cooperating with a federal investigators, was found late Thursday night slumped dead inside a car, in front of the Judah House Praise Baptist Church in Northeast, said Cmdr. Michael Anzallo, head of the department’s Criminal Investigations Division.
Cmdr. Anzallo said a police officer was patrolling the neighborhood when gunshots were heard, then Lt. Harris was found dead inside the vehicle, which investigators would describe only as a blue car. Emergency medics pronounced him dead at the scene.
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