Posted on 06/23/2009 12:01:28 PM PDT by rxsid
While I agree that all 'angles' should be pursued (the BC may help to establish weather he is actually legally in this country or not (i.e. no record of Naturalization)), I also am of the opinion that the main...root issue here is his admitted British Citizenship AT BIRTH which begs the question Leo asks at the end of this snippet:
[Quote]" World Net Daily Drops The POTUS Ineligiblity Ball…
Whether they know it or not, WND is causing massive distraction by feeding the birth certificate smokescreen more and more fire while consistently failing to concentrate national focus on the core legal issue - Obama admits to being a British citizen at birth and therefore could not have been a “natural born citizen” of the United States as is required by the Constitution.
One of these days the Obama administration might serve up for your culinary consumption the most perfect long form birth certificate you could ever imagine. [Edit: Exactly what I've (& others) have indicated for a long time now] Hawaii officials will vouch for its authenticity under oath if need be. And numerous forensic experts will substantiate its veracity.
Then the POTUS eligibility movement is going to look like a vast nutjob right wing conspiracy.
And the ineligible one will be so much stronger and more powerful for it.
... Let me make this perfectly clear – below is the question that must be asked of White House Press Secretary Gibbs should anyone ever have the chance again. It’s been crafted with razor sharp precision so that slippery tongued vixens can’t slither out of the truth nexus without exposing themselves to even the most sleepy of audiences.
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The false BC theory is – without a doubt - a conspiracy theory of epic proportions. Nobody can deny that it’s a textbook conspiracy theory. Regardless of whether he has a genuine long form BC saying he was born in Hawaii, the concept that the COLB is a forgery would certainly concern a vast conspiracy to defraud the American people. Conspiracies do exist, but they have a very bad reputation and the media can spin them as kookery with ease.
The dual nationality issue is NOT a conspiracy theory. It’s a genuine legal question. Obama admits he was a dual citizen at birth. Eligibility advocates have simply questioned whether that makes him ineligible to be President under Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution.
BC = Conspiracy theory
DUAL NATIONALITY ADMISSION = legal question ...
Make this question your mantra. Don’t be distracted from it.
THIS IS WHAT YOU ASK GIBBS NEXT TIME, WND:
During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?"[End Quote]
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/world-net-daily-drops-the-potus-ineligiblity-ball/
I would add, that something like this simple, to the point statement followed by a question would make a perfect letter to send to representatives as well as news organizations. Sometimes, very 'wordy' letters are tossed aside because they take too much time to read and address the multiple questions asked in it.
Use this poignant FACT, followed by the single question Leo has asked. They can't say...Snopes verified it, or Factcheck verified it, or the HI officials verified it, or it was posted for all to see. Let's see how they respond to this:
"During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?"
He has always felt the birth cert. was a red herring ... and since we don’t really know WHAT the reason is for all the secrecy, I can’t take much issue with his thinking.
There are many unknowns ... but what IS known is the
prima facie evidence of his Constitutional ineligibility:
he was born to a citizen of the United Kingdom.
He admitted it boldly.
If I understand the bottom line of all the reams posted everywhere on the subject, that in and of itself satisfies Donofrio as to 0’s certain ineligibility.
Please, stop and take a broader view, we have a clear case of conflicting allegiance.
What if FDR’s father was German?
What if Truman’s dad was Japanese?
What if GWB’s parent was Afghani or Iraqi or Iranian?
What if BHO’s dad is Castro? or Kim-jong-Il? of Hugo Chavez?
So if Amadidahad’s kid is born was born in NYC a few decades ago, he can be president?
From what countries is it acceptable to have a dual citizenship and 1st generation lineage? There is a conflict of interest, it’s always been there for him, it’s obvious.
IMO, I now think there's a 50/50 chance he was born in Hawaii, but that his real biological father is not BO Sr. Perhaps it's Malcom X, perhaps it's FMD. Do we really believe even the sheeple of this country would elect someone who's father is either a radical islamist (post 9/11) or a Communist? I really doubt it. Not even the state run media (SRM) could 'gloss over' that kind of background for enough people to buy into it. Either of those "fathers" would indeed be a major "embarrassment" for Barry. I too believe that what's been posted on the net is indeed a forgery. However, we still don't know what the original holds. Given his access to now virtually unlimited resources...is it not completely conceivable that he and his 'team' come up with a very "real" looking forgery that they release and the SRM gobbles up hook line and sinker, saying see...he was born in HI? We can then forget about that other "issue" of him being born with FOREIGN Citizenship (assuming Sr).
The question SCOTUS needs to address is:
What does the term "Natural Born Citizen" mean in our Constitution? Why was it placed there exclusively for the Commander in Chief position? What was the framers intent for putting it there when they could have simply stated that "Citizen" was good enough?.
We have witnessed how a relatively uneducated (on our history and our Constitution) populous can be gulled into voting for a Jr. Senator who had zero Executive experience, who had dangerously radical associations of various kinds for decades (at least), who's limited Congressional voting record was to the LEFT of the self avowed socialist Bernie Sanders, who's own background is simply off limits to the public, and on and on.
Unfortunately, it's not then inconceivable that someone in the future is pushed to the forefront who's background is just as unknown, who has multiple citizenship's at birth (perhaps including a Communist country like China), and becomes our Commander in Chief as well. Single citizenship and sole allegiance to our country from birth is necessary to be considered Article II Section 1 eligible, IMO.
Excellent points (questions), boldly stated so as to heighten the issue beyond a common Joe father (Sr).
seriously, what do you mean? /S
For sure, and it's looking like there may be multiple reason's as to why that would be the case.
I will bow to your knowledge on the subject because I know you have followed it all very closely. It just seems to me that we should be attacking Obama’s eligibility on every single front. It doesn’t have to be either or imho.
I have no problem being called a ‘conspiracy nut’ because it is clear that Obama is hiding something. It seems to me that the people that are not asking questions after Obama has spent over 1 million dollars hiding so many of his records are the REAL nutters in our country...lol.
How will Barry providing an acceptable long form alter the fact that he used a forgery on the Internet and seconded by the White HOuse press sotitary to claim Constitutional eligibility? Someone is very eager to take focus off of the forgery and redirect attention.
Thanks rxsid. Bookmarked.
Ping to comments not to be missed.
Opinion, so take it for what it is worth: the ‘powers that be’ know Barry is not Constitutionally eligible and using the excuse that riots would spread across the nation if he were removed for his ineligibility, the ‘powers that be’ have chosen to allow the affirmative action fraud to continue in the job he demanded/extorted to be granted. Unless ‘the powers that be’ decided that the riots will not happen because the nation has turned against the commie bastard, this lying POIE will continue in offcie without anyone being granted standing to expose his ineligibility and his criminal fraud.
MHGinTN: Leo, when did the obamanoid movement get to you? ... You know that the criminal behavior attached to the posting of a forgery as Barry's 'proof of eligibility' is in no way negated by a later BC being presented. So why are you trying to divert attention and silence the growing unrest over the criminal forgery attached to Barry?
They fell under the exception to the "natural born citizen" requirement.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.
The Messiah does not.
If we were not yet in the Computer age, and we did not have the internet and the world wide web, how would Presidential Candidate Obama publicly release his Hawaii birth certificate in order to prove to the American public that he was eligible to be President of the United States?
1. Newspapers and Hawaii birth certificate: Would candidate Obama have displayed a copy of his Hawaii birth certificate in local and national newspapers like USA Today?
2. Television: Would candidate Obama have bought time on local and national tv programs in order to display his Hawaii birth certificate?
3. If Obama could only use newspapers and television to display his Hawaii birth certificate, I say that Obama would have run into a lot of problems politically for the following reason:
Obama people would have no say as to who would touch and handle the Hawaii birth certificate at the newspapers and the television stations.
4. That is, once persons OUTSIDE of Obama's camp touched and handled Obama's Hawaii birth certificate, there would be more and more chances that someone outside of Obama's camp would closely examine the Hawaii birth certificate and start asking questions about whether or not the Hawaii "birth certificate" was a fake.
5. Also, some newspapers and tv stations might demand that Obama present his long form Hawaii birth certificate---the one with the names of Obama's birth hospital and birth doctor on it---instead of the short form we now see on the internet.
6. As I said, I was just wondering out loud.
Doesn't matter. At least in 1961, not so sure about today, the child of a married woman, even if he/she looks like the milkman or postman, is legally the child of her husband.
Now that can be challenged, and birth certificates amendee, but absent such a challenge, which was really difficult in 1961, that child takes on the same legal characterists as a biological child of the woman's husband.
But why would Stanley Ann, bother to marry BHO Sr, if she was going to name the "real" father on the BC? There was not much expectation of privacy with BCs in 1961, unlike today.
Besides, I think BHO looks most like his maternal grandfather. Same chin, same ears, same head shape, same hairline, and pretty much the same build. The differences are very slightly fuller lips and broader nose, as well as skin pigmentation, hair color and hair texture, (to some degree anyway). But those characteristics could have come from almost any male of African descent.
It's a crisis now. If the court ruled him not a natural born citizen, by virture of either his father's nationality/citizenship or his birth outside the country, if it was, or both, that would be a Constitutional remedy, would it not?
Any "Constitutional Crisis" existing after the Court declared him not a natural born citizen, would be very short lived, as the US Military moved to kick the usurper out of the White House, should he not go peaceably. The oath is to the Constitution, not any man. (The officers oath, and there are plenty of those, accross the river in the five sided puzzle palace.
As public opinion turns on Barry, we are starting to see some 'test the waters' so to speak. Witness the Posey bill for one example. There is zero reason why that bill would be 1) introduced now and 2) slowly gaining support if they truly thought there was nothing to this issue.
The closer to the 2010 elections, I'll bet the more we'll see of them supporting these efforts in one way or another.
What a perfect storm it was/is for him and those behind him to pull this off so far!
It's about both. If he had been born outside the country with two US parents, or even of an unwed US Citizen mother, he'd have been a citizen at birth, under the law. But he might not have been a "natural born citizen", depending on the meaning of that term as applied to the Constitutional qualification.
If he was born outside the US, of a non-citizen father, but his his mother was 19 or over, he'd have been a citizen at birth. But again, probably not a "natural born citizen". The same is true if he was born in the US with a foreign citizen father (who was not even a permanent legal resident), he'd be a citizen at birth, in this case via the 14th amendment, but probably not a "natural born citizen".
But any of those possibilities are really no different than what is already known, and was before he was nominated, let alone before he was elected. Namely that his father was a citizen of a foreign country, at the time of his birth.
But most folks are like the poster above, that just generates a 'shrug'. Challenging his eligibility on those grounds somehow seems discriminatory. But if he was not a citizen at all when he was born, which he wasn't if he was born outside the US, since he had foreign citizen father, and a mother too young to pass on citizenship under the law as it existed in 1961, everyone.. everyone, would acknowledge that he could not possibly be a natural born citizen. (And of course if he was never later naturalized, he'd not be a citizen at all)
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