Posted on 06/05/2009 9:01:38 PM PDT by ReformationFan
Attendance at Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church in Houston would decline rapidly to the point that the property would be sold back to the city of Houston to pay off ministry debts. It would then be re-converted into a basketball arena.
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***Nobody saw it until John Calvin described the “hidden” counsel of God which he said was not explicit in scripture.
Oh good Lord....it’s worse than I thought.***
But not worse than we suspected. When you have Calvin be his own Pope, are you not surprised that he thought that like his theological descendent Joseph Smith, that he could just make it all us as he went along?
Apologies; correction in spelling:
***Nobody saw it until John Calvin described the “hidden” counsel of God which he said was not explicit in scripture.
Oh good Lord....it’s worse than I thought.***
But not worse than we suspected. When you have Calvin be his own Pope, are you not surprised that he thought that like his theological descendent Joseph Smith, that he could just make it all up as he went along?
LOL!!!
As the beloved Cyprian once said to Augustine, “What do you have that you have not received from God?”
Had he been clairvoyant, St. Augustine would have replied"Calvinism."
Wrong Dear Sister,God is eternal
God knows everything from all eternity before existence of creation,thus there is no strategy in the mind of God.
Everything is one NOW created for the purpose of love only.
God does not sit back and think before He creates-all of His creation is love,thus He creates no ordination of sin because in order to ordain a sin it would mean that God thought about sin as part of first cause and created sin,thus, making God have sin in His nature.
God created ALL men with the freedom to accept that love(God) or reject love,thus, without freedom God would be forcing His Love on us and raping our free will,thus making us puppets of a monster who calls himself God.
Sin can only be an act of man's free will freely rebelling against eternal love. The first cause can only be love (God)
Here is some Aquinas to help you.....
That God is Eternal
THE beginning of anything and its ceasing to be is brought about by motion or change. But it has been shown that God is altogether unchangeable: He is therefore eternal, without beginning or end.*
2. Those things alone are measured by time which are in motion, inasmuch as time is an enumeration of motion.* But God is altogether without motion, and therefore is not measured by time. Therefore in Him it is impossible to fix any before or after: He has no being after not being, nor can He have any not being after being, nor can any succession be found in His being, because all this is unintelligible without time. He is therefore without beginning and without end, having all His being at once, wherein consists the essence of eternity.
3. If at some time God was not, and afterwards was, He was brought forth by some cause from not being to being. But not by Himself, because what is not cannot do anything. But if by another, that other is prior to Him. But it has been shown that God is the First Cause; therefore He did not begin to be: hence neither will He cease to be; because what always has been has the force of being always.
4. We see in the world some things which are possible to be and not to be. But everything that is possible to be has a cause: for seeing that of itself it is open to two alternatives, being and not being; if being is to be assigned to it, that must be from some cause. But we cannot proceed to infinity in a series of causes: therefore we must posit something that necessarily is. Now everything necessary either has the cause of its necessity from elsewhere,* or not from elsewhere, but is of itself necessary. But we cannot proceed to infinity in the enumeration of things necessary that have the cause of their necessity from elsewhere: therefore we must come to some first thing necessary, that is of itself necessary; and that is God. Therefore God is eternal, since everything that is of itself necessary is eternal.
Hence the Psalmist: But thou, O Lord, abidest for ever: thou art the self-same, and thy years shall not fail (Ps. ci, 13-28)
That is my point. You missed it apparently. And yet God exists within time and outside of time. Since He tells us He has "declared the end from the beginning" there must be some "beginning" and "end" to which He refers, which of course, is the time allotted for this earthly history to exist.
None of the rest of your blather from Rome is the least bit Scriptural (and it should give Arminians pause that they are arguing the exact same position you are.).
God created ALL men with the freedom to accept that love(God) or reject love,thus, without freedom God would be forcing His Love on us and raping our free will,thus making us puppets of a monster who calls himself God.
Apparently your Bible does not differentiate between the spiritual man who loves God because He first loved him, and the natural man who cannot know the things of God because his eyes have been blinded to the truth and he only has his own feeble will with which to navigate this life.
Content yourself with your own will, such as it is, and I will continue to thank God for mercifully and freely imputing to me the righteousness of Christ through the unearned gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." -- Phil. 2:13
Hundreds of thousands murdered by the Innquisition and the counter Reformation. Naturally Rome instructs its members to deny deny deny.
Calvin called all popes an anti-Christ, and unlike so many Romanists, Calvin was not self-loathing. So you're wrong again.
his theological descendent Joseph Smith,
Your slurs used to have at least some stray bit of pertinence to the discussion. Now they're just spitballs.
Joseph Smith is much more a child of Rome. He viewed himself to be a god, like the pope does. He believed himself to be infallible, like the pope does. He believed only he understood Scripture, like the pope (and the magisterium) do.
God willing, they both will continue to go the way of all false prophets.
The plan is love and it is offered perfectly,anything that deviates from that love is sin and not God's plan.
lol. God's ordination is about as active as you can get. Bible-believing Christians do not have to negate one aspect of God in order to prove another.
Your other questions reveal you do not have any comprehension as to what "first cause" means in relation to God. Study more diligently, Mark. You may come to the truth yet.
You claim that God willed Adam to sin
Not me, but Scripture claims Adam sinned by his own disobedience and that all things are ordained and sustained by God for His glory. I realize you cannot process that sentence, Mark, but the Bible tells us those clauses do not contradict one another.
Does it ever occur to the Romanist that if Adam had not sinner, Christ would not have been born and died for our sins? What would that have done to the Trinity?
Next, you’ll be claiming that God created and is in control of satan.
You sure you want that question to stand? Who do you think created Satan? NBC?
Did God create Satan?
This only pertains to human nature,not God's nature.
Are you going to say that God had a beginning,thus making Him not eternal?
***When you have Calvin be his own Pope...
Calvin called all popes an anti-Christ***
Correction. He called all others who would take the job anti Christs. He willingly made the exception for himself. The Institutes are proof enough of that.
***his theological descendent Joseph Smith,
Your slurs used to have at least some stray bit of pertinence to the discussion. Now they’re just spitballs.***
Your formerly pinpoint rebuttals have become, well, wild pitches, bereft even of velocity. May I ask if you are losing your zeal for a failed theology yet?
***Joseph Smith is much more a child of Rome.***
Incorrect. Joseph Smith’s con could not have existed except for Calvin’s fantastic new theology, which drastically influenced the entire scope of his creation.
***He viewed himself to be a god, like the pope does.***
Right on the first point, wrong on the second. If you substituted Calvin’s place in Geneva, you would be correct.
***He believed himself to be infallible, like the pope does.***
I don’t recall Calvin acknowledging fault at any point in his writings, either directly or in response to another’s point. Do you know of any?
***He believed only he understood Scripture, like the pope (and the magisterium) do.***
Without the Magisterium, the individual interpretation of Scripture will lead us into Calvinism, or Mormonism, or the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the assorted Pentecostals, or the nuts down in Waco or the Raelians. The Magisterium was entrusted with the selection of Scripture.
Calvin was not.
***God willing, they both will continue to go the way of all false prophets.***
All false prophets will wind up in the same place; the Judgement of the Lord is correct. By the way, what need do the Reformed have of prophets? The self identified elite will undergo the onerous limousine ride regardless of the efforts of others and themselves, right?
God created lucifer for the purpose of Love,lucifer freely became prideful and rejected that love.
God did not create the evil,lucifer did that on his own by rejecting love
I'm assuming you have a Bible so look to see whom Paul is addressing. He's addressing believers.
Therefore God most certainly does "will" for "all" to come to acknowledge of the truth. And they do. All who are sanctified by the Holy Spirit will come and believe and be saved.
I thought that you claimed on many, many occasions that you (the Reformed) brought your Catholic husband to Calvinism. Which is true, given this revelation?
lol. God brought my husband (fleeing the shackles of Rome) to the Presbyterian church into which I had been born. He then read Calvin and encouraged my study of the Institutes and other reformed perspective writings. When my husband brought me to this reformed perspective, he was a Presbyterian. By the grace of God.
And if you think I'm harsh on the RCC, you should hear him who knows Rome in inside and out.
Could God erase Satan/Lucifer from existence? It seems like a reasonable thing to do if all God wants was love. If there were no Satan/Lucifer, men could freely choose to love God just like you think they do now.
Mark, you bore me.
Calvin and Joseph Smith have nothing to do with each other, and no one but you today has ever made that claim.
Without the Magisterium, the individual interpretation of Scripture will lead us into Calvinism, or Mormonism, or the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the assorted Pentecostals, or the nuts down in Waco or the Raelians. The Magisterium was entrusted with the selection of Scripture.
More idiotic lies. Yawn.
***Again you show that you can post Scripture, but you do not understand Scripture.***
My understanding of Scripture is assisted by 2000 years of Church theologists, not somebody you guys fished out of a dumpster sometime last year.
***I’m assuming you have a Bible so look to see whom Paul is addressing. He’s addressing believers.
Therefore God most certainly does “will” for “all” to come to acknowledge of the truth. And they do. All who are sanctified by the Holy Spirit will come and believe and be saved.***
That is not what Scripture says. Scripture says that God wills all. All men. And women too. Regardless of how they twist Scripture to their little nasty third grade theology, God would have all to be saved. Read the Bible in its entirety; including the Gospels.
***God brought my husband (fleeing the shackles of Rome) to the Presbyterian church into which I had been born. He then read Calvin and encouraged my study of the Institutes and other reformed perspective writings. When my husband brought me to this reformed perspective, he was a Presbyterian. By the grace of God.***
I thought that you had inferred in the past that you were the catalyst that plucked him from the Catholic Church.
***And if you think I’m harsh on the RCC, you should hear him who knows Rome in inside and out.***
Who is this ‘him’ that knows Rome inside and out?
***Mark, you bore me.***
I’m sorry if you find the eternal salvation of your soul boring.
***Calvin and Joseph Smith have nothing to do with each other, and no one but you today has ever made that claim.***
Many have made the claim that without Calvin’s creation of a fantastic false doctrine, then Smith would not have had the inspiration to create his. Pay attention to reality, please.
***Without the Magisterium, the individual interpretation of Scripture will lead us into Calvinism, or Mormonism, or the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the assorted Pentecostals, or the nuts down in Waco or the Raelians. The Magisterium was entrusted with the selection of Scripture.
More idiotic lies. Yawn.***
In other words, you have no defense against the truth.
God does not think in succession ,everything is one NOW as you already agreed
Could God erase Satan/Lucifer from existence? It seems like a reasonable thing to do if all God wants was love. If there were no Satan/Lucifer, men could freely choose to love God just like you think they do now.
Satan has already lost in that one NOW,dear sister,so has everyone who has rejected that Love(God). It's all one now. with God!Remember?
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