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To: MarkBsnr
How do you define the word “ordain”? Is it active or passive?

lol. God's ordination is about as active as you can get. Bible-believing Christians do not have to negate one aspect of God in order to prove another.

Your other questions reveal you do not have any comprehension as to what "first cause" means in relation to God. Study more diligently, Mark. You may come to the truth yet.

You claim that God willed Adam to sin

Not me, but Scripture claims Adam sinned by his own disobedience and that all things are ordained and sustained by God for His glory. I realize you cannot process that sentence, Mark, but the Bible tells us those clauses do not contradict one another.

Does it ever occur to the Romanist that if Adam had not sinner, Christ would not have been born and died for our sins? What would that have done to the Trinity?

Next, you’ll be claiming that God created and is in control of satan.

You sure you want that question to stand? Who do you think created Satan? NBC?

150 posted on 06/11/2009 5:24:17 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Does it ever occur to the Romanist that if Adam had not sinner, Christ would not have been born and died for our sins? What would that have done to the Trinity?

Hi, Doc. Me again, one more time. I'm certainly no theologian; I don't know even half the names you guys are throwing around here. But let me take a stab at this one, because I believe the answer to your question is, It would not have done anything to the Trinity.

I mean, isn't it true that the Trinity pre-existed creation? In Genesis, doesn't God say, "Let us make..." And in one of the Gospels (John?), doesn't it say, "In the beginning was the Word..." That's Jesus, right? And in Genesis again, doesn't it talk about the Spirit of God moving upon the waters. Well, that's the Holy Ghost, no?

And this is all before God even created man. So, if Adam didn't sin, why would that have any impact at all on the Trinity, which pre-existed all creation? Had Adam not sinned, are you saying that the Trinity would have ceased to be?

Or am I missing something?

164 posted on 06/11/2009 7:15:57 PM PDT by kevao
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