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To: Dr. Eckleburg; kevao
“”At the moment of creation, God “knew” the movement of every atom in existence from that moment to the end of time. And thus, life. And God's knowing isn't confined to some passive awareness, but to a creative, determining declaration of intent. What God foreknows, comes to pass, invariably. Nothing precedes God's perfect knowledge of His own creation.””

Wrong Dear Sister,God is eternal

God knows everything from all eternity before existence of creation,thus there is no strategy in the mind of God.

Everything is one NOW created for the purpose of love only.

God does not sit back and think before He creates-all of His creation is love,thus He creates no ordination of sin because in order to ordain a sin it would mean that God thought about sin as part of first cause and created sin,thus, making God have sin in His nature.

God created ALL men with the freedom to accept that love(God) or reject love,thus, without freedom God would be forcing His Love on us and raping our free will,thus making us puppets of a monster who calls himself God.

Sin can only be an act of man's free will freely rebelling against eternal love. The first cause can only be love (God)

Here is some Aquinas to help you.....

That God is Eternal

THE beginning of anything and its ceasing to be is brought about by motion or change. But it has been shown that God is altogether unchangeable: He is therefore eternal, without beginning or end.*

2. Those things alone are measured by time which are in motion, inasmuch as time is an enumeration of motion.* But God is altogether without motion, and therefore is not measured by time. Therefore in Him it is impossible to fix any before or after: He has no being after not being, nor can He have any not being after being, nor can any succession be found in His being, because all this is unintelligible without time. He is therefore without beginning and without end, having all His being at once, wherein consists the essence of eternity.

3. If at some time God was not, and afterwards was, He was brought forth by some cause from not being to being. But not by Himself, because what is not cannot do anything. But if by another, that other is prior to Him. But it has been shown that God is the First Cause; therefore He did not begin to be: hence neither will He cease to be; because what always has been has the force of being always.

4. We see in the world some things which are possible to be and not to be. But everything that is possible to be has a cause: for seeing that of itself it is open to two alternatives, being and not being; if being is to be assigned to it, that must be from some cause. But we cannot proceed to infinity in a series of causes: therefore we must posit something that necessarily is. Now everything necessary either has the cause of its necessity from elsewhere,* or not from elsewhere, but is of itself necessary. But we cannot proceed to infinity in the enumeration of things necessary that have the cause of their necessity from elsewhere: therefore we must come to some first thing necessary, that is of itself necessary; and that is God. Therefore God is eternal, since everything that is of itself necessary is eternal.

Hence the Psalmist: But thou, O Lord, abidest for ever: thou art the self-same, and thy years shall not fail (Ps. ci, 13-28)

145 posted on 06/11/2009 4:49:39 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi
Everything is one NOW

That is my point. You missed it apparently. And yet God exists within time and outside of time. Since He tells us He has "declared the end from the beginning" there must be some "beginning" and "end" to which He refers, which of course, is the time allotted for this earthly history to exist.

None of the rest of your blather from Rome is the least bit Scriptural (and it should give Arminians pause that they are arguing the exact same position you are.).

God created ALL men with the freedom to accept that love(God) or reject love,thus, without freedom God would be forcing His Love on us and raping our free will,thus making us puppets of a monster who calls himself God.

Apparently your Bible does not differentiate between the spiritual man who loves God because He first loved him, and the natural man who cannot know the things of God because his eyes have been blinded to the truth and he only has his own feeble will with which to navigate this life.

Content yourself with your own will, such as it is, and I will continue to thank God for mercifully and freely imputing to me the righteousness of Christ through the unearned gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." -- Phil. 2:13

146 posted on 06/11/2009 5:06:27 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose))
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