Russia Surrenders

Islam in Action ^ | April 16Th, 2009 | Christopher Logan

[Islaminaction]

Early last month I posted an article telling us that Russia had allowed Chechnya to become an Islamic state within Russia. Just a day later six members of the Russian security forces were killed in an Islamic bomb attack.

Which once again showed us that appeasement does not work. Now for some unknown reason Russia has completely surrendered to the Islamic separatists of Chechnya and have announced that they are ending their counter terrorism operation and pulling their troops out of Chechnya.

[Texas Eagle]

Hmmmm...did we get used on that whole deal? Coming to the Chechens defense and not hearing Moscow out.

[piytar]

Well, you also pull troops out of a place you are thinking of glassing...

[muawiyah]

It's complex but the whole problem goes way back to the days when the Russians moved in on a number of break-away states within the Ottoman Empire.

They weren't successful in exterminating the natives. Later on Joe Stalin shipped them to Siberia but again the Russians failed to exterminate them. More recently the Chechnyans have managed to "break away".

I think Islam is a secondary issue with these people.

[muawiyah]

As I just suggested, it's a long story and the Chechnyans have been at this through two Empires, the Soviet Union, and now Russia.

"Glassing" may well be the only way to deal with it, but that'd ruin the real estate.

[GeronL]

maybe the Russians have lost too much money?

[mountn man]

For anyone interested in Bible prophecy, there is a coming war with Israel against Russia and a coalition of Islamic nations. It makes great sense that Russia would become increasingly Islamic, if its going to attack Israel with other Islamic nations.

Notice how many of the former USSR are 'Stans. These will be part of the massive coalition.

[Islaminaction]

The new leader of Chechnya is about nothing but Islam.

http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/03/russiaislamic-law-allowed-in-chechnya.html

[ETL]

Russia is a friend of Iran. Iran is a state-sponsor of islamic terrorism. Bin Laden might well be hiding out in Iran.

[Islaminaction]

I am not religious but something going on in the world is very wrong and it is obviously going to get a lot worse.

Why does Russia have a problem with Israel?

[Kandy Atz]

Putin should follow Obama’s example and apologize for Russian arrogance and tell Muslims that Russia is not at war with islam. That should make everything much better.

[muawiyah]

Then he's not Chechyan. These guys are bad with or without Islam. In fact, before the Russians decided to move in on them they were probably among the least Islamic bunch of Moslems on Earth.

I suspect their present leader is telling lies (as usual).

[mamelukesabre]

Nowhere in the bible does it say “russia” will form a coalition with muslims and attack israel.

[Islaminaction]

Are you accusing a Muslim of lying? That would neverrrrrrrrrrrrrr happen. lol!!

Anyway he is a hardcore Muslim who was born there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_Kadyrov

Chalk up another victroy for Islam as they slowly take over more and more of the world.

[muawiyah]

200 years ago Islam already had Chechnya. They'd been there for several hundred years before in fact.

They're back to where they were ~ no advance.

Now, it's our turn ~ pick a Moslem country ~ take it back ~ maybe for Jesus, maybe for Mithra - maybe for Buddha.

[Greysard]

Most of large-scale fighting ended years ago, and Chechens have their own president and government also for several years. Occasional flashes of terrorism can't be defeated by 100,000 soldiers. So this is the next phase of the nation-building that Russia had to do in Chechnya; (the only other option was to nuke the whole site from orbit.)

The current plan is to revert to civilian government, while carefully watching for signs of fundamentalism and removing wannabe terrorists before they can do much harm. To that extent Russia is reasonably happy with Ramzan Kadyrov as the President of Chechnya, he is keeping the republic under control. Majority of population are not interested in jihad any more, having seen plenty of it and having learnt that you can fight (and be maimed, killed) but winning is much harder. Chechnya remains a subject within Russian Federation, but it has a right to go its own way eventually. The only condition on this separation is to be a real country, and not a den of thieves and robbers.

[Islaminaction]

What you are saying does not even make sense.
Creating Islamic states within non-Islamic countries is caving into the Islamists and they do not have to kill us all to takeover. They are advancing across the West because of political Islam. How about Muslims across the West keep pushing until they get their way? Lets start with Dearborn Mich. Do they have a right to go their own way? Lets just break up entire countries to please Muslims. This way they can just expand from their own Islamic states within non-Islamic countries. They are also calling for their own states with France, China, Thailand and the Philippines. Maybe everyone should just cave into them. Sounds like a great idea.
Also the new President of Chechnya is a fundamentalist.

[Greysard]

Creating Islamic states within non-Islamic countries is caving into the Islamists and they do not have to kill us all to takeover.

Chechnya was Islamist for centuries, and it can't be changed easily. Stalin tried, didn't work. Another option is to cast them aside; Yeltsin did that, didn't work either (it turned into today's Somalia.)

What Russia is doing now can be described as follows: "Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer." If need be, first wave of troops can be back in 30 minutes. But with good intelligence (which is now possible) you don't even need to be that fast.

[mountn man]

I don't know "why". I do know that Russia has had a history of hating Jews. A hatred that rivals Nazi Germany.

Bible prophecy tells us in Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39 of a great war coming up. It is known as the war of Gog/Magog. Gog is a ruler or title of ruler, like Czar. Magog is the land far north of Israel. Russia. Other countries mentioned in this prophecy are Persia, modern day Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan,and also Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia and some others.

Why is an Old Testament book considered prophecy for today/future? All these nations have had greivances or wars with Israel at one time or another. But NEVER have all these nations formed a great army together to attack Israel.

Ezekiel tells us that all these nations will come together at one time to wipe Israel out, so that it will be remembered no more. They WILL be utterly wiped out. It will take Israel 7 months to bury the dead. (Their enemies, not theirs).

Ezekiel tells us, that God says he will place hooks in the jaw of Russia and draw it down into Israel. Some believe that other Bible verses prophecy that Israel will find massive oil reserves.

In light of that, understand that last year, Russia's little dance with Georgia was about the oil and natural gas pipelines that run through Georgia and feed parts of Europe. Russia's economy is heavily dependant on oil and gas revenues.

Russia and Irans oil companies are THE LARGEST oil companies in the world, dwarfing Exxon Mobil. Russia and Iran are close allies and getting closer.

Russia (Putin) wants to be a (the) world power. Their goal is to control most of, if not all of, the worlds oil and gas supplies.

If, as some claim, that Israel is to find massive oil reserves, it would lower world oil prices, simply because of the major find, making Russia unhappy, and poor. They are hurting right now because the price of oil is so cheap.

Secondly, it provides another scource for the world to go to get its oil, instead of Russia.

Could oil be the hook in the jaw that Ezekiel mentions? Add to that the increasing Islamization of Russia and its former countries, and its oil alliances with Iran, and the hatred of Islam with Israel.

I see a definete "possibility" of todays world events building up to Bible end times prophecies.

Beyond the war of Gog/Magog mentioned in Ezekiel are the other end times prophecies of the books of Daniel and Revelation, and the time called the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation and eventually Armageddon.

But Armageddon IS NOT the end. The world is not destroyed and ALL of mankind is not annihilated. There is coming a 1000 year reign of Christ upon the earth. Where "man will study war no more" and we will all live in peace. And life on earth will be as it should have been from the beginning.

Bible prophecy is facinating, and it is VERY, VERY dire for what is commonly called the end times. But it is also hopeful for what comes after The Great Tribulation, Armageddon, and Antichrist.

I believe what is happening in the world is building up to these end times. I've described what I believe to be the coming war of Gog/Magog, but after that The Great Tribulation and Armageddon are going to make ANYTHING that has ever happened in the past, pale in comparison.

You said your not religious-and that is fine. You know something is wrong in the world and its going to get worse. The Bible tells us this. The answers for whats going wrong in the world and whats coming up are in the Bible.

Quix, has a end times ping list, ask to be put on it, if your interested.

If you'd like to know more about other end times stuff, I'll be glad to let you know what I THINK I know :) And steer you towards other material that might help.

[Islaminaction]

That is what I was thinking, that they can just send the troops in when ever they want to. But I still do not agree with the 2nd form of govt within a non-Islamic country. Once Islamists have a hold of land it is very, very hard to take it back. The rest of Europe had better wake up before it is too late.