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1 posted on 04/07/2009 5:35:53 PM PDT by Shellybenoit
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“hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe”

Closest naturally occuring source: The Sun

Have fun retreiveing it, don't forget the coppertone.

2 posted on 04/07/2009 5:40:38 PM PDT by keat
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I pray its true.

There is NOTHING I would love more than to see the tiny state of Israel come up with a way to make a large portion of the oil the arabs have completely USELESS!

Hahahahaha!


3 posted on 04/07/2009 5:42:14 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (No greater friend, no worse enemy -The United States Marine Corps.)
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“provides important steps in overcoming this challenge”

People have been making “important steps” in this field for a couple decades...


4 posted on 04/07/2009 5:45:23 PM PDT by piytar (Obama = Mugabe wannabe. Wake up America.)
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it would take millenniums to run out

You make it out of water. It turns back into water... but it will run out in millenniums? I wonder what the moronic reporter things is going to happen then. Will the oceans be dry? I laughed out loud when I read that line.
6 posted on 04/07/2009 5:48:43 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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Up until now the major problem with creating hydrogen fuel cells is the chemical process needed to seperate the hydrogen and the oxygen used as much energy as it produced. The Weizmann Institute in Israel may have found a way to solve that problem:
Good heavens! They've come up wth the perpetual motion machine.
7 posted on 04/07/2009 5:48:56 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei (quem deus vult perdere prius dementat)
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Normally I would dismiss the idea that someone could produce hydrogen from water using less energy than one gets by oxidizing the hydrogen produced. But if it's scientists from the Weizmann Institute in Israel, maybe there's a shot. They aren't quacks.

If people think the A-rabs want to destroy Israel because of so-called "Palestinians," or because they are Joooooos, just wait until they start producing hydrogen from water!

ML/NJ

8 posted on 04/07/2009 5:49:11 PM PDT by ml/nj
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Hydrogen fires, as from a leak from a cryogenic H2 tank or a fuel cell are incredibly nasty. The flame is hot and barely visible. H2 is no panacea. Properly used, fine, but lots of engineering needed.


11 posted on 04/07/2009 5:52:38 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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If only the stimulus plan was building nuclear plants, we would have the energy needed to make such fuels in mass. It would be a lot better than wasting it on unproven technologies.


12 posted on 04/07/2009 5:58:56 PM PDT by DannyTN
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>Hydrogen fuel sells

Hydrogen fuel cells, maybe?
Or are we talking a marketing gimmick?


13 posted on 04/07/2009 6:01:29 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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When oxygen and hydrogen combine (burn, explode), energy is released. When water is broken up into hydrogen and oxygen that same amount of energy must be put into the reaction.

The article mentions a “thermal and light driven process”. Thermal energy means something like coal, nuclear, or solar heat. Light-driven would mean the sun as in photovoltaic or photosynthetic. The first two sources are disliked by the environmentalists. Solar heat aht the last two have low energy density meaning it would take many square miles of collectors to produce a respectable amount of hydrogen fuel.

Nevertheless these guys might have a useful idea.


14 posted on 04/07/2009 6:03:45 PM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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>n these cells Hydrogen is consumed by a pollution-free chemical reaction, not combustion. So the fuel cell simply combines hydrogen and oxygen chemically to produce electricity, water, and waste heat.

That IS combustion, the burning/oxidizing of Hydrogen. This reporter lacks a basic understanding of chemestry, and proofreading.


16 posted on 04/07/2009 6:06:06 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, it would take millenniums to run out.

Somewhere an editor is out of work.

17 posted on 04/07/2009 6:17:41 PM PDT by Poison Pill (Help, I've voted Republican and I can't get up!)
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Interesting line of research but I don’t know enough to comment any further.


19 posted on 04/07/2009 6:37:51 PM PDT by fso301
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To: neverdem; SunkenCiv; SuperLuminal; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; Wonder Warthog
Like, *PING*, dudes.

Cheers!

20 posted on 04/07/2009 6:45:32 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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It is relatively easy to turn hydrogen into clean energy. The problem is getting clean energy in order to to make hydrogen.


23 posted on 04/07/2009 7:33:07 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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"“When we exposed this third complex to light at room temperature"...

OK. If I understand this correctly, my vehicle's fuel will have to be generated in a "closed" system to contain the fuel, but will have to be generated in an "open" system so that the 3rd stage can be completed. That is, unless a flashlight will suffice. Then my key-ring flashlight can be connected through an O-ring into the "closed" fuel generator.

Now I have to figure out how many batteries I have to keep on hand.

IAC, I'm trying to avoid even thinking about the net efficiency of the reversion of the 500 lbs (?) of the metal complex to it's original state so that I won't have to haul a trailer full of the stuff for replacement.

I'm really encouraged. Got to try to figure how much H2 will be needed to run a Ford 350 hauling whatever.

35 posted on 04/08/2009 10:52:55 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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Meamwhile an islam-a-nazi yoot-groupe has developed a new blade sharpening technique that keeps the blade sharp even after cutting through tough neck-bones so that more beheadings can be done between sharpenings and the arms won’t get so tired./sarc


36 posted on 04/08/2009 11:07:39 AM PDT by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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