Posted on 01/11/2009 4:35:26 AM PST by dascallie
Posted by Ron Polarik
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Jan 10th, 2009 - 2:10 PM
I hate to rain on anyone's parade here, but the only way to know for sure when and where Stanley Dunham was married is to see a certified genuine copy of her original Marriage Licenses on record in Hawaii -- assuming that she actually had one for Obama Sr. to begin with. (BTW, a copy of the marriage license was not a required document to get a divorce, as explained below).
Back in 1961, common-law marriages (marriages w/o a marriage license needed) were still recognized as legitimate unions. Basically, all it would take is for Dunham and Obama to simply shack up together for while and refer to themselves as a "married couple."
Also, the immigration laws at the time were extremely lax about immigrants marrying US citizens as a fast track to get a Green Card and to become lawful permanent residents.
Short of a DNA test, we have no way of knowing who is Obama Jr's biological father, and without that vault original birth certificate, we don't know what parent names were put on that certificate, where he was born, and when (The date, August 4, 1961, may be true, but it is far from being etched in stone).
There is another problem with this assumed paternity, and that is Obama Jr. looks much more like Malcolm X or Frank Marshall Davis than he looks like Obama Sr.
Now, there may have actually been a civil ceremony, but that, in and of itself, does not make the "Daddy was Obama Sr" scenario a slam dunk.
Far from it. Stanley Ann Dunham was three months pregnant when she married Obama Sr, and given her devious past history, there is a better than chance likelihood that this was a "shotgun wedding," i.e., that she entrapped Obama Sr. into marrying her whether it was his kid or someone else's.
Let's face facts here. In 1961, there was a big-time stigma to becoming a single teenage mom. In most rural parts of the country, she'd be run out of town on a rail. This is also the reason why a lot of teenagers got married, or as they used to say back then, "The father did the right thing."
Then again, you had a "Guess who's coming to dinner" scenario as well. As for which states in the US were mixed marriages most tolerated, the top three choices are Hawaii, Hawaii, and Hawai. The fact that whites were a minority group in Hawaii had a lot to do with their acceptance level, as native Hawaiians would be far less tolerant to a "Haole" marrying one of their own.
I look at the Dunham-Obama as a "Marriage of convenience," and I'm not alone in this view. If you were a teenage mom back in 1961, the only way to avoid the stigma was to find someone to marry, if not the sperm donor himself.
Now, if Dunham was impregnated by another black man, she would be looking to marry a black man, and the traditional tale of (a) boy meets girl, (b) boy and girl settle down, and (c) boy and girl make a baby would be the same, except that (c) would come before (b) and would read, "different boy" and girl make baby.
What I can say, for sure, is that Barack Hussein Obama II has never proven when, where, and to whom he was born, and that he committed felony document fraud to cover it up. He's deceived the American voter into believing that he was born in Hawaii as the biological child of Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama I. Even if the document were real, he still could not use it to prove his natural-born status.
What the forgery does prove, however, is the extent to which someone would break the law in order to become President, and that fact alone should disqualify him from any public office, let alone the President.
I will gladly do so! Frank Marshall Davis was encouraged by a teacher when he originally went to the college in KS to continue writing his poetry. He had been given an assignment between a researched paper or a poem so he went to the library and quickly dashed off a poem which received great praise. After spending two years at College Frank headed to Chicago where he obtained work at “The Defender” also writing for other negro papers in the area. In 1931 Frank went to Atlanta GA to work on the colored paper there. He met and married a co-worker, one Thelma Boyd while in Atlanta. Thelma is the woman mentioned in his sex novel although he gave her the name Doris. It was here that the seduction of the 13 year old Anne, a girl from Jamaica, happened. By 1934 Davis returned to Chicago where he continued to submit articles to the “Defender” as well as to a newspaper in Indiana.Thelma followed him to Chicago hoping to make the marriage work but when it became evident the marriage was over she moved to Washington. (I don’t know if she went to D.C. or state, I couldn’t find that information) If you will notice the dates of 1931 to 1934 you will know that Stanley Ann Dunham wasn’t even a gleam in her daddy’s eye at the time. You will also notice in my narrative not a mention of Davis being in KS. Davis spent the time from 1934 until 1948 specifically in Chicago and was often mentioned in the society pages. He was one of those who also received grants under FDR’s artist projects. He taught early jazz at the Abraham Lincoln school in southside Chicago(associated with the Communist Party) and during his time teaching he met Helen Canfield. The two married in 1946 and moved to Hawaii in 1948 at the urging of Paul Robeson who had explained the marriage would be more readily accepted in Hawaii than on the mainland of the U.S. Helen Canfield Davis was disowned by her family when she married Davis. Stanley Armour Dunham met Davis at Charlie’s Tavern in Hawaii, not in Kansas.
Good question. I pinged it, and it's real. Whois says that it belongs to Road Runner HoldCo LLC, out of Virginia, but with an OrgID of RRSW which indicates that: "Allocations for this OrgID serve Road Runner residential customers out of the Austin, TX and Tampa Bay, FL RDCs.
I don't mind posting that, because anyone looking for him could do the same "research" in about a minute. Fortunately Austin and Tampa Bay are big places. My current IP address starts with 72.178, and inputting it into Whois yields the same OrgID, and I, of course, am also on RR.
Alright, thank you sir, and if you’d keep an eye out I’d appreciate it. Ziggy has publicly backed Obama (while insulting Clinton at the same time) and is his foreign policy adviser apparently, plus Obama seems to follow the Ziggy framework, so there’s something there...
When did Ann’s “nudie” pix happen?
Geller's timeline is still the most complete and the most plausible one I've seen to date. Also, she confirms what I said earlier about the stigma of being a pregnant teen, etc..
Everyone should take the time to read the whole thing.
yes, Ziggy was a resident prof at Columbia then...
here's the thing... Wayne Allan Root, the 2008 Libertarian Party VP candidate also graduated from Columbia that same year with the exact same degree and major... but he says nobody else from that major or class ever remembers meeting Barry Jr, ever... WTF??!!
(Barry Jr had an address across Manhattan with his "Pakistani roommate." No one there remembers Barry Jr either...)
So what was Barry Jr doing all that time he was earning that Columbia degree?
Do you think Ziggy sent Barry on "independent study"?
Remember that the introduction of the book SEX REBEL BLACK says "either names or identities" have been changed. It's possible that the girl in question was *named* Anne, but had her identity changed (from white 17-yrs to Jamaican 13-yrs) for the book rather than her name.
(We also know that Anne was in Hawaii when she was impregnated from her University records (the one quarter she actually WAS in Hawaii), so that leaves Malcolm X and Che Guevara off the daddy list.)
And all of Daddy Frank's Chicago Commie connections you point out obviously greased the skids for Barry Davis Jr in the Windy City!
Remember that the introduction of the book SEX REBEL BLACK says "either names or identities" have been changed. It's possible that the girl in question was *named* Anne, but had her identity changed (from white 17-yrs to Jamaican 13-yrs) for the book rather than her name.
(We also know that Anne was in Hawaii when she was impregnated from her University records (the one quarter she actually WAS in Hawaii), so that leaves Malcolm X and Che Guevara off the daddy list.)
And all of Daddy Frank's Chicago Commie connections you point out obviously greased the skids for Barry Davis Jr in the Windy City!
Ping to #79 and 86.
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447 posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:19:19 PM by Jim Robinson
agreed...she makes an interesting observation I missed before:
Obama Sr., Tom Mboya, and Philip Ochieng, all share common physical features of the Kenyan Luo tribe: Modest stature under six feet, round faces, small chins, wide set eyes, slanted back foreheads, and retracted hairlines
none of these features are shared by Malcolm X and Barack Hussein Obama Jr.
Remember that the introduction of the book SEX REBEL BLACK says "either names or identities" have been changed. It's possible that the girl in question was *named* Anne, but had her identity changed (from white 17-yrs to Jamaican 13-yrs) for the book rather than her name.
(We also know that Anne was in Hawaii when she was impregnated from her University records (the one quarter she actually WAS in Hawaii), so that leaves Malcolm X and Che Guevara off the daddy list.)
And all of Daddy Frank's Chicago Commie connections you point out obviously greased the skids for Barry Davis Jr in the Windy City!
Stanley Anne’s fall quarter didn’t start until late September... she had six or seven weeks after birth to get to Washington and start classes.
Probably on the night Barry was conceived. Looks like it was close to Christmas 1960.
Stanley Armour Dunham was a subversive flake, just like Stanley Anne. He himself must have introduced Frank to Anne.. “ten years later” is when the FBI finally shut down their investigation of Frank... so the Dunhams could be more open with their friendship with Frank... your chief objection here seems to be “that’s just too sick!” Be that as it may, that’s what we’ve got headed for the White House now... a real class act... enjoy...
And now this very alternative news break . . .
little item from ATS:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread427124/pg1
posted on 11/1/2009 @ 21:38
what is mexico preparing for?!?!?
a boarder control officer told my uncle that it seemed like mexico is preparing for a invasion. my uncle was told that mexico is lining up armed vehicles along the mexico/arizona borader in mass numbers
i know that the mexican military has been killing off the small town sheriffs in texas. but could this be it? the mass invasion? i wonder if there are chinese soldiers among the mexican soldiers.. i believe they may wait until the inaugration of satan for them invade if they are at all
I believe Ann posed for Sr as an early Christmas present for him in 1960 just shortly after she became pregnant. Some point to jazz records and use them as evidence it was Davis who took the shots but Obama Sr also listened to jazz. The floor of the room is wood which could be a clue as to what happened to the “small, single story home” at 625 11th Ave Obama Sr lived in until he left HI June 22,1962. Termites are a big problem in HI and termites love wood! We already know that the main building at the airport had to be torn down because of a termite infestation so the same could have happened to that home. We know it was torn down sometime after June 22,1962 and the Obama Sr visit in 1971 since Jr mentioned it in his book as not being there.
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