Polarik speaks out on Obama COLB forgery and paternity question

I hate to rain on anyone's parade here, but the only way to know for sure when and where Stanley Dunham was married is to see a certified genuine copy of her original Marriage Licenses on record in Hawaii -- assuming that she actually had one for Obama Sr. to begin with. (BTW, a copy of the marriage license was not a required document to get a divorce, as explained below).

Back in 1961, common-law marriages (marriages w/o a marriage license needed) were still recognized as legitimate unions. Basically, all it would take is for Dunham and Obama to simply shack up together for while and refer to themselves as a "married couple."

Also, the immigration laws at the time were extremely lax about immigrants marrying US citizens as a fast track to get a Green Card and to become lawful permanent residents.

Short of a DNA test, we have no way of knowing who is Obama Jr's biological father, and without that vault original birth certificate, we don't know what parent names were put on that certificate, where he was born, and when (The date, August 4, 1961, may be true, but it is far from being etched in stone).

There is another problem with this assumed paternity, and that is Obama Jr. looks much more like Malcolm X or Frank Marshall Davis than he looks like Obama Sr.

Now, there may have actually been a civil ceremony, but that, in and of itself, does not make the "Daddy was Obama Sr" scenario a slam dunk.

Far from it. Stanley Ann Dunham was three months pregnant when she married Obama Sr, and given her devious past history, there is a better than chance likelihood that this was a "shotgun wedding," i.e., that she entrapped Obama Sr. into marrying her whether it was his kid or someone else's.

Let's face facts here. In 1961, there was a big-time stigma to becoming a single teenage mom. In most rural parts of the country, she'd be run out of town on a rail. This is also the reason why a lot of teenagers got married, or as they used to say back then, "The father did the right thing."

Then again, you had a "Guess who's coming to dinner" scenario as well. As for which states in the US were mixed marriages most tolerated, the top three choices are Hawaii, Hawaii, and Hawai. The fact that whites were a minority group in Hawaii had a lot to do with their acceptance level, as native Hawaiians would be far less tolerant to a "Haole" marrying one of their own.

I look at the Dunham-Obama as a "Marriage of convenience," and I'm not alone in this view. If you were a teenage mom back in 1961, the only way to avoid the stigma was to find someone to marry, if not the sperm donor himself.

Now, if Dunham was impregnated by another black man, she would be looking to marry a black man, and the traditional tale of (a) boy meets girl, (b) boy and girl settle down, and (c) boy and girl make a baby would be the same, except that (c) would come before (b) and would read, "different boy" and girl make baby.

What I can say, for sure, is that Barack Hussein Obama II has never proven when, where, and to whom he was born, and that he committed felony document fraud to cover it up. He's deceived the American voter into believing that he was born in Hawaii as the biological child of Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama I. Even if the document were real, he still could not use it to prove his natural-born status.

What the forgery does prove, however, is the extent to which someone would break the law in order to become President, and that fact alone should disqualify him from any public office, let alone the President.

Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth.”

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, “with a first-class [Arabic] accent.”

The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

“Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... “

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.

Obama knows this from his Quranic studies — and he knows the New York Times will publish this fact and it will be seen throughout the Islamic world.

Regardless of Obama’s religion, what message is he sending the world's 1.2 billion Muslims?

I suppose it's easy for Obama to remember the Shahada for the 35 years since he left Indonesia — and in ‘first-class’ Arabic — especially since he believes the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth.”

The fact that Obama can recall the Shahada after 35 years and the fact that he believes that the daily call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth” say that those Muslim prayers run through his head often — what does that make him?

Original New York Times source — has been deleted by the New York Times — HERE is the Kristof article on another site.

He was there for 3 years when he was a small child yet he recalls this. Give me a break. Imagine it now scrubbed from the NYT. What a shocker. Was there ever a video of him reciting it? My guess is that it existed but is long gone now. I, not saying that a Muslim shouldn't be president( that's open to a whole other debate) what I am saying is that a pathological liar should not be.

“Wow the “guy” with the fake name and “unusual” degree is now a expert in Eugenics.”

Actually, make that Sociology 101 (and a not very good expert at that):

Polarik: “If you were a teenage mom back in 1961, the only way to avoid the stigma was to find someone to marry, if not the sperm donor himself.”

This “expert” apparently has never heard of the term “adoption”—a FAR more common solution to unexpected pregnancies for teen mothers than racially-mixed marriages. Adoptions likely numbered >125,000 in 1961.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/%22Put+up%22+on+platforms:+a+history+of+twentieth+century+adoption+policy...-a0151099642

In fact, the demand for adoption was so great that its stigma was declining rapidly during this period. At some level, the demand for adoptive babies was fueling efforts to encourage teen-age/single moms to give them up.

Of equal importance was rising demand for racially mixed babies in exactly this same period BHO was born: “The second phase began after the Korean War Korean War....in 1953. In this phase, “for the first time in history, relatively large numbers of Western couples ... were adopting children who were racially and culturally different from themselves” (Altstein and Simon, 1990, p. 3). This growth, along with the resulting expanded conception of the American family, continued throughout the rest of the century.”

Stanley Ann Dunham had a shotgun wedding by definition (i.e., wedding after conception). If by “shotgun” Polarik is alluding to an element of compulsion, that seems more dubious based on Senior’s subsequent behavior. Every account I’ve seen suggests it was Senior’s family (especially father) in Africa who found this new marriage most objectionable—yet Senior did it anyway! What leverage did the Dunhams have over Senior? In theory they could have threatened his scholarship, yet the instant he was done in Hawaii, he apparently had NO difficulty in skipping town to attend Harvard even though he’d won a scholarship elsewhere that would have permitted his family to join him. If the prospect of stigma had motivated Dunhams to arm-twist Senior into marriage in the first place, why wouldn’t the prospect of their child as a single mom with an undeniably black baby not have induced them to insist that Senior figure out a way to keep Stanley and Barack with him during graduate school?

On the contrary, to all appearances, the Dunhams abled and abetted both Stanley’s initial phase of single parent-hood and subsequent decision to essentially abandon Barack to his grandparents even though her second marriage to Soetoro had already failed. The Dunhams doted on Barack and the available family photos and stories give every appearance of grandparents who unashamedly raised their black grandson without the appearance of stigma or guilt about the situation.

Frank Davis Jr. was 37 seven years older than Stanley Ann Dunham. Yes, he lived in Hawaii, but he also had a wife (19 years his junior) at the time Stanley Ann began her studies. Moving from Sociology 101 or Psychology 101, does it really make even a SHRED of sense to argue that the Dunhams cajoled/coerced Senior into being a beard for Frank Davis Jr. in 1961, yet 10 years later, when the whole sorry mess had played out—Stanley & Barack abandoned by Senior and Barack in turn abandoned to be raised by grandparents while now-twice-divorced Stanley was in Indonesia—Stanley’s father would be good buddies with Frank Davis Jr.? Why wouldn’t he be OUTRAGED at that scum’s behavior and what it had done to any semblance of normal married life? Encouraging Obama to hang out with such a pathetic role model presumably would have been the last thing that would make sense to daddy Stanley as he pondered how he could help his son recover from a far-less-than-rosy first decade of life.

As for Malcolm X, what evidence is there that he crossed paths with a 17-year old school girl at University of Hawaii in November 1960? Malcolm married in 1958, had his first child later that year, another in 1960 and another in 1962. Unlike Senior, who’d essentially abandoned his first wife to take up with Stanley, Malcolm X’s life during this identical period strongly suggests a happily married family man rather than a philanderer. Moreover, he’d attained huge publicity by meeting Castro in September 1960. Why on earth would he put either his married life or career at risk by banging a naive college freshman not yet 18?

I have simply spent enough time researching Jr and his family that I was able to pick those specific items as mistakes. It is a good timeline and as I mentioned before I had encountered it before and tried to contact the author about mistakes but was unable to do so. When I do my research I also play devil’s advocate with myself and search for what is known against actual circumstances. This was the way I established a timeline for the food stamp program among others.
When the article was printed about Frank Marshall Davis I spent the time finding out about his first marriage and the name of his first wife in order to provide the correct information regarding the seduction of the 13 year old Anne he mentioned in his sex novel. I also found out addresses associated with the family when they lived in HI and when they moved there. The same went for the rumor that Davis knew the Dunhams when he was in KS. The only way to provide evidence of whether something is true or not is to dig. Having a shattered upper right arm limits what one can do but a laptop with a touchpad does allow one to surf and to dig for the truth!

LINK TO NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE

The New York Times article has been edited and restored, they removed the lines of the shahada included in the original article.

Most of what you included in your comment came straight from Beckwith's The Obama File WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION.

He was there for 3 years when he was a small child yet he recalls this. Give me a break.

He was there from the ages of six until ten. That's when Christian children learn the Lord's Prayer. I did. I haven't forgotten it. And it's a heck of a lot longer.

Imagine it now scrubbed from the NYT. What a shocker. Was there ever a video of him reciting it? My guess is that it existed but is long gone now.

No, it was not a video. The full original article is what you found on The Obama File, word for word.

I, not saying that a Muslim shouldn't be president( that's open to a whole other debate) what I am saying is that a pathological liar should not be.

Agreed. If he was/is muslim, all he had to do was tell us about it and let us decide...He could have said, 'Hello, my name is Barry Dunham-Soetoro, I'm a muslim and I want to be President...LOL!

My post 38 …“Figures you’d find something wrong in that great new work at colony14! Anything else?
I’ll still send it out to the many. Best freely available compendium I’ve seen.”

If it sounded rude, Mr. Nerks, it wasn’t intended. Was actually intended as a compliment- should have maybe been stated “ “Figures you of all people...” .

I was new to the “Obama Timeline” of colony14, it is up to date, the author makes it available as a pdf via email.

Sorry to hear he hasn’t corrected on this matter according to “Chief”, who never fails to explain himself most rationally when conclusions can still be unsure (qualifying himself as speculating in the few instances a provable conclusion cannot be had).

Would certainly like to know other errors with colony14’s work, honestly. It IS the best compendium available, freely or not, until a certain someone or two come out with one.
I have no idea who colony14 is, BTW.

Personally, “Chief Engineer” has been nothing but prompt and courteous to me in an exchange or two, and I see nothing to indicate he acts any other way with others.

I have nothing but admiration for “Chief Engineer”.
And I’ll state it again:
I have nothing but admiration for “Chief Engineer”.

Just finished watching 24- what a show. And I’ll state it again: what a show.

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