Polarik speaks out on Obama COLB forgery and paternity question

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[dascallie]

Posted by Ron Polarik

IP: 70.119.62.151

Jan 10th, 2009 - 2:10 PM

I hate to rain on anyone's parade here, but the only way to know for sure when and where Stanley Dunham was married is to see a certified genuine copy of her original Marriage Licenses on record in Hawaii -- assuming that she actually had one for Obama Sr. to begin with. (BTW, a copy of the marriage license was not a required document to get a divorce, as explained below).

Back in 1961, common-law marriages (marriages w/o a marriage license needed) were still recognized as legitimate unions. Basically, all it would take is for Dunham and Obama to simply shack up together for while and refer to themselves as a "married couple."

Also, the immigration laws at the time were extremely lax about immigrants marrying US citizens as a fast track to get a Green Card and to become lawful permanent residents.

Short of a DNA test, we have no way of knowing who is Obama Jr's biological father, and without that vault original birth certificate, we don't know what parent names were put on that certificate, where he was born, and when (The date, August 4, 1961, may be true, but it is far from being etched in stone).

There is another problem with this assumed paternity, and that is Obama Jr. looks much more like Malcolm X or Frank Marshall Davis than he looks like Obama Sr.

Now, there may have actually been a civil ceremony, but that, in and of itself, does not make the "Daddy was Obama Sr" scenario a slam dunk.

Far from it. Stanley Ann Dunham was three months pregnant when she married Obama Sr, and given her devious past history, there is a better than chance likelihood that this was a "shotgun wedding," i.e., that she entrapped Obama Sr. into marrying her whether it was his kid or someone else's.

Let's face facts here. In 1961, there was a big-time stigma to becoming a single teenage mom. In most rural parts of the country, she'd be run out of town on a rail. This is also the reason why a lot of teenagers got married, or as they used to say back then, "The father did the right thing."

Then again, you had a "Guess who's coming to dinner" scenario as well. As for which states in the US were mixed marriages most tolerated, the top three choices are Hawaii, Hawaii, and Hawai. The fact that whites were a minority group in Hawaii had a lot to do with their acceptance level, as native Hawaiians would be far less tolerant to a "Haole" marrying one of their own.

I look at the Dunham-Obama as a "Marriage of convenience," and I'm not alone in this view. If you were a teenage mom back in 1961, the only way to avoid the stigma was to find someone to marry, if not the sperm donor himself.

Now, if Dunham was impregnated by another black man, she would be looking to marry a black man, and the traditional tale of (a) boy meets girl, (b) boy and girl settle down, and (c) boy and girl make a baby would be the same, except that (c) would come before (b) and would read, "different boy" and girl make baby.

What I can say, for sure, is that Barack Hussein Obama II has never proven when, where, and to whom he was born, and that he committed felony document fraud to cover it up. He's deceived the American voter into believing that he was born in Hawaii as the biological child of Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama I. Even if the document were real, he still could not use it to prove his natural-born status.

What the forgery does prove, however, is the extent to which someone would break the law in order to become President, and that fact alone should disqualify him from any public office, let alone the President.

[Fred Nerks]

http://grandoldpartisan.typepad.com/blog/2008/02/barack-obama.html?cid=105080378

it’s there...but no longer here where I first saw it:

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

[TLI]

Maybe the birth cert is blank, because The One was conceived by no man, but by the seed of Satan. :-/

Na, Hussein the President-elect doesn’t appear to be that clever.

[cookcounty]

There were TWO guys by the fairly unusual name of William Araiza at Columbia in that time period? Both on a pre-Law track?

From the looks of it, Araiza (the CA lawyer) is quite a bit more accomplished and experienced than Obama.

[Beckwith]

OK, now I understand.

The New York Times scrubbed that Kristof article back around August.

Here's another source:.

http://nevadathunder.com/?p=3626.

[Don Stadt]

I’ll probably get shot down for pointing this out, but the best leader the United Kingdom has had in the past 100 years (Churchill) had a basket case for a mother, and his own demons.

The idea that your upbringing makes any difference, is the spawn of sandal-wearing leftist hippies in the 1960s.

As conservative values go, the notion that you can be born into a dirt poor family, have a real hard childhood, be poorly educated even, and still succeed in life, is one of the best.

That’s how America was built. That’s how the West was won.

America didn’t get great by pandering to The Abuse Excuse. No, we stuck two big fingers up to the class system that corrupted Europe, and decided that in this country you get what you work for.

[Beckwith]

Here’s my cached copy - - from Obama’s own website:

http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/ObamaCallToPrayerBackup.mht

[DrC]

“In the 60’s there was a rising demand for racially mixed babies I don’t think so.”

It appears you missed my point—perhaps because you failed to read the link I posted that clearly supported my claim. In response to the fairy tale claim (not made by you) that a shotgun marriage was the ONLY way a white teen impregnated by a black could avoid the stigma associated with her situation, I pointed out 2 simple facts. First, 1961 was a period in which teen moms giving up babies of any color for adoption had been greatly DE-stigmatized in general. Second, more specifically, a sub-trend within this larger trend was growing acceptance of (demand for) the adoption of multi-racial babies.

In short, if the Dunhams were preoccupied with avoiding/minimizing the stigma of Stanley Ann’s plight, there was a much more common and straightforward means of doing so than roping Senior into a shotgun marriage.

If you contest either of the 2 factual claims on which my argument rests, the burden of proof is on you to provide contrary evidence. Asserting “I don’t think so” is not evidence.

[kabumpo]

Without dna we may never know. But even since he lost all that weight, I had a nagging sensation in my brain everyone I saw a photo of his face (especially in profile) that he reminded me of someone — then I realized that he had the exact same weird jaw of Nelson Rockefeller (who used to be the gov. of my state). A while later I learned that Nelson brother Winthrop had been gov of ARk. at the time of Clinton’s birth.

[seekthetruth]

PLEASE GO TO PAGE 19 FOR BERG CASE AND READ. THEN EXPLAIN IT TO ME PLEASE! WRIT DENIED BUT NOT THE REST??

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/08ordersofthecourt.html

BERG CASE ORDER:
THE MOTION OF BILL ANDERSON FOR LEAVE TO FILE A BRIEF A AMICUS CURIAE IS GRANTED. THE PETITION FOR A WRIT OF CENTIORARI BEFORE JUDGEMENT IS DENIED.

[seekthetruth]

PING TO # 129

[nominal]

08-570 BERG, PHILIP J. V. OBAMA, BARACK, ET AL.
The motion of Bill Anderson for leave to file a brief as
amicus curiae is granted. The petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment is denied.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amicus_curiae :

Amicus curiae or amicus curiæ (plural amici curiae) is a legal Latin phrase, literally translated as “friend of the court”, that refers to someone, not a party to a case, who volunteers to offer information on a point of law or some other aspect of the case to assist the court in deciding a matter before it. The information may be a legal opinion in the form of a brief, testimony that has not been solicited by any of the parties, or a learned treatise on a matter that bears on the case. The decision whether to admit the information lies with the discretion of the court.

http://www.techlawjournal.com/glossary/legal/amicus.htm :

Amicus Curiae briefs are filed in many Supreme Court matters, both at the Petition for Writ of Certiorari stage, and when the Court is deciding a case on its merits. Some studies have shown a positive correlation between number of amicus briefs filed in support of granting certiorari, and the Court’s decision to grant certiorari. Some friend of the court briefs provide valuable information about legal arguments, or how a case might affect people other than the parties to the case. Some organizations file friend of the court briefs in an attempt to “lobby” the Supreme Court, obtain media attention, or impress members.

Bill Andersons’ brief here:

http://wthrockmorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/joyce_anderson-amicus-final.pdf

[Dr._Joseph_Warren]

You can't have it both ways.

You can't say that the Dunham's were "card-carrying, Stalinist Communists" who associated with "terrorists, Muslims, and Black Muslims" AND that they were so concerned with what American society thought that they hid their teenage daughters pregnancy!

Either they were counterculture Marxist fanatics who didn't care about social norms, or they were middle-class, Midwesterners who would be embarrassed by the crossing of social taboos of the period.

Which is it?

[little jeremiah]

It takes work to overcome a bad upbringing. There are many people who have done so, those of weaker character often do not. It’s not a one size fits all thing.

[Eye of Unk]

In respect to Colony 14 this is a couple of excerpts that offer some insight and speculation of questions being asked.
http://www.colony14.net/id41.html

In 1955, Ann Dunham had moved with her parents from Dorado, Kansas, to the Columbia City neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. (It has been alleged that Stanley Armour Dunham, had been suspected of espionage during World War II and that Boeing has a 1944 security file on Dunham in connection with suspected sabotage of B-17 aircraft at its Wichita, Kansas plant, and the theft of B-29 blueprints - which made their way to the German intelligence agency, the Abwehr; those suspicions may have prompted Dunham to move his family from Kansas to Washington.) Ann Dunham attended Eckstein Middle School. The family then moved to Mercer Island in 1956 so that Ann could attend Mercer Island High School. The Mercer Island School Board was led by John Stenhouse, who was a member of the Communist Party USA, according to his testimony to the House Committee on Un-American Activities. Dunham’s teachers included communists Jim Wichterman, whose assignments included the reading of Karl Marx’ “The Communist Manifesto.” The hallway between Wichterman’s class and that of another leftist teacher, Val Foubert (whose class reading assignments included Margaret Mead’s writings on homosexuality), was known as “anarchy alley.” Dunham graduated from high school in 1960. Dunham attended the East Shore Unitarian Church in Bellevue, which was known as the “little Red church on the hill” because of its communist leanings. [527,558,612,743]

One birth theory speculates that Dunham’s parents were disturbed by the news of the pregnancy (understandably, considering the scandal an unwed pregnancy would bring in 1961), and likely tried to persuade her to give the child up for adoption and then claim she had miscarried. There is speculation that Dunham left Hawaii and gave birth to Obama in Washington State (or perhaps Canada) at a facility for unwed mothers, and then decided to keep the baby. She returned to Hawaii, registered the child’s birth, claiming the child was born at home in Hawaii (thus resulting in two different birth certificates for Obama), and then promptly visited a friend in Seattle that same month, August of 1961. Her friend recalls having to show Dunham how to change the diaper. Dunham collects food stamps for a time. [564]

[Dr._Joseph_Warren]

Oh, and another thing. This is the most ridiculous accusation I have ever read.

"There is another problem with this assumed paternity, and that is Obama Jr. looks much more like Malcolm X ..."

This alone suggests that if ANYONE deserves your schoolyard phrase of 'Dillwad', it is YOU!

[little jeremiah]

Actually that’s not necessarily so. And I say this from life experience. People of that era and social stratum who might be fellow travelers or attracted to communsim or belong to affiliated organiztions, read the literature and so on, but still have one foot in the nice middle class values of thst era.

And remember, Stanley Dunham had done some kind of “sabotsge” while working on -was it Boeing aircraft during the war, CE - now that’s odd!

[little jeremiah]

My comment above for you too.

[little jeremiah]

Ignore previous ping - the info appeared above after I wrote my comment!

[Quix]

LOL.

Check out the late Dimitru Duduman . . . his dreams and visions re the end times . . . and China attacking with Mexico etc.

His grandson keeps his website . . .

http://www.mikeboldea.blogspot.com/

[Chief Engineer]

I noticed the resume of William Araiza the CA lawyer but I don’t think he is the student that was in a class/seminar with Jr since the short message I found for the Columbia classmate was on a TX message board.