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My Christmas message? There's probably no God
The Guardian ^ | 23 December 2008 | Polly Toynbee

Posted on 12/27/2008 7:00:23 PM PST by CE2949BB

Antidisestablishmentarianism is on the march. Which is odd, considering there is only the faintest whiff of disestablishmentarianism to fight. The Archbishop of Canterbury set this hare running with his usual confused mumbling into his beard. To disestablish the church would be "by no means the end of the world", he said bravely. He hastened to add that he did not want the church sundered from the state right now. And he would oppose "secularists [boo, hiss] trying to push religion into the private sphere". This sent the Telegraph and Mail into a spin, claiming a devilish distestablishment plot on the Labour backbenches - though they could find only three usual suspects. These MPs say the likely move to end the 1701 Act of Settlement that bars Catholics from the throne will make an established church impossible.

How likely is this? Look at how Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have promoted faith and religiosity as "community", and ask yourself if there is the faintest chance that Labour spends untold parliamentary time unpicking the cat's cradle of a relationship between church, Lords and crown? Frankly, if Labour had the inclination for constitutional reform, first priority should be ending our disastrous first-past-the-post voting system.

True, it is embarrassing to be the only western democracy that has theocracy built into its legislature. The 26 bishops in the Lords interfere regularly: they are a threat on abortion, and their campaign sank the Joffe bill, giving the terminally ill the right to die in dignity. Of course they should not be there, when only 16% of people will grace the pews on Christmas Day, and Christian Research forecasts church attendance falling by 90%. But a dying faith clings hard to its inexplicable influence on public life.

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TOPICS: Government; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: atheism; christmas; dawkins; disestablishentment; equalitycommission; faith; fool; god; gordonbrown; grayling; hitchens; humanism; labour; nickclegg; religion; tonyblair; uk
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1 posted on 12/27/2008 7:00:23 PM PST by CE2949BB
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To: CE2949BB

More Americans should study Church History in Britain and Europe from about the 600s through the 1800s. A very healthy study which much better explains both respective theologies and governmental systems.


2 posted on 12/27/2008 7:07:19 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: CE2949BB
Hmmm ~ put all our issues in an English framework and they look pretty much the same. Typical "newsie" wants to kill all the babies and old folks (nonsubscribers, of course, lest you missed the discussion of motives), and let the Catholics take over the Crown ~ here, that takes the form of keeping the Holy Rollers out of government ~ too many Catholics to beat up on them any more than necessary ~ but still, there are targeted groups of Christians in both places, and the newsies are not really hot on letting Sarah Palin win elections elsewhere than Alaska.

Outside of the Constitution, and our single member districts (their "first past the post" system depends on such districts, so they are talking about the same thing), there's still not a lot of difference in the way these places the Brits founded are run.

3 posted on 12/27/2008 7:07:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: All

GOD:

He was.
He is.
He always will be.

CHRISTMAS
http://www.truthusa.com/CHRISTmas.html


4 posted on 12/27/2008 7:09:42 PM PST by Cindy
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To: muawiyah
Of course they should not be there, when only 16% of people will grace the pews on Christmas Day, and Christian Research forecasts church attendance falling by 90%.

Sir, I was wondering if I could get your thoughts on the increasing secularization of the American population, particularly the white population (per Pew).

5 posted on 12/27/2008 7:11:05 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: muawiyah

” Typical “newsie” wants to kill all the babies and old folks “

Yeah, I saw that, rolled my eyes, and quit reading.


6 posted on 12/27/2008 7:13:47 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: CE2949BB

The Left does not seek the separation of church and state, it seeks the elimination of religion from government and political discourse. If you listen to them talk, they have quite clearly stated that people who profess to be religious in the traditional sense are not worthy of the right to vote. They’re not smart enough, the Left tells us, so they shouldn’t have the rights everyone else (meaning those who the Left likes). So, when you hear a Leftist blathering on about the “separation of church and state,” realize that this is what they are really talking about.


7 posted on 12/27/2008 7:15:01 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: Cvengr

More people should study why Europe became a Christian place, who the early adopters were, and why. They should also study how many people died under atheist communist governments, too. They make the witch hunts and inquisitions that the anti-religious love to complain about look mild in comparison.


8 posted on 12/27/2008 7:15:43 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Clemenza

Pew has an axe to grind.


9 posted on 12/27/2008 7:16:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Reaganesque
We just saw an example of how clearly intelligent the professional left is in this country ~ they gave all their money to Bernie Madoff!

Bwahahahahaha

10 posted on 12/27/2008 7:17:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Reaganesque

Tell them with James 1:27 “the most religious thing one can do is take care of widows and orphans”, and therefore the Social Security Admin. is unconstitutional.


11 posted on 12/27/2008 7:20:15 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: CE2949BB

Polly, were you born a miserable witch, or did it come along with the atheism?


12 posted on 12/27/2008 7:23:09 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: CIDKauf

Our entire legal system is based on the Ten Commandments for Pete’s sake. That makes our system of government unconstitutional according to their definition.


13 posted on 12/27/2008 7:24:40 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: CE2949BB

“There’s probably no God”

Was God asked to participate in this poll?


14 posted on 12/27/2008 7:28:02 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

If they gonna live their life as if there is NO GOD... they better HOPE there isn’t one.. or they may have some Explaining to do!


15 posted on 12/27/2008 7:29:49 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's "1984" .. to Conservatives- a WARNING, to Liberals - a TEXTBOOK)
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To: CE2949BB

“The fool hath said in his heart: there is no God”.


16 posted on 12/27/2008 7:36:22 PM PST by JSDude1 (Like the failed promise of Fascism masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism- Nephi)
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To: Reaganesque

It’s because Government is their religion and Government is a jealous god that tolerates no other gods before it.


17 posted on 12/27/2008 7:47:41 PM PST by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. 2010 awaits.....)
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To: CE2949BB
In the end, all will believe, but we are to make sure that takes place on this side of time and eternity.
18 posted on 12/27/2008 8:07:37 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: CE2949BB

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Polly_Toynbee


19 posted on 12/27/2008 8:20:03 PM PST by smokingfrog (I'll go green when they plant me in the ground.)
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To: CE2949BB

the authorship of Polly Toynbee here suggests the aquarium she is swimming in is a bit too full.Please Polly,spare us.


20 posted on 12/27/2008 8:25:59 PM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Good Morning Mr & Mrs Scooter and All The Ships At Sea)
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